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Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by yggy » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 5:47 PM UTC

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #42

fassssst wrote: post #19

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> a TAM that consists almost solely of developers That’s the wrong assumption. These models are good at office docs too.

I have yet to see a model that can make a consistent and repeatable powerpoint deck that doesn’t need considerable manual revision Find me someone who is putting raw text in and getting out a usable weekly staff meeting deck that doesn’t require massive revisions

I agree but why is that?

Let’s face it - without the humans these machines ain’t shit - aka we have mechanically figured out ways to make machines better than us at certain things (on demand memory) but this idea they are intelligent is horse shit.

Btw the bar is low too! Most human created decks are garbage. And yet LLM’s don’t even beat those.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by cdurth » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 6:03 PM UTC

I tried the Fugu models with some real world tales in C# and unity using mcp and open code. I exhausted the $20 plan 5 hour window in one prompt to review my theme system and plan some color changes. So I upgraded to the $100 to see the implementation and result. Well the result was worse than Opus, incredibly slow, and I ended up exhausting the new 5 hour window and have used 35% of the weekly now and it hardly created something opus was able to do at a fraction of the time and cost.

Do what you wish with this info, but it seems to be a complete waste of $$.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by surgical_fire » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 6:05 PM UTC

renoir wrote: post #13

itsdesmond wrote: post #5

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This exactly. YC companies literally steal competing company 1:1 and you turn blindeye. Then a thief steals from a thief to give it out at better prices than you write low quality comment. Shame that America will greet 250th anniversary with this kind living in it.

It's only immoral when others steal.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by fwipsy » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 6:30 PM UTC

OutOfHere wrote: post #37

fwipsy wrote: post #15

First impression: Third-party benchmarks or gtfo. Personally, I've never heard of either of these companies before. We're just supposed to take their word that they've matched the best models on the market? Sakana describes their model as a "Orchestration Model." Does that mean that it's actually a bunch of different models glued together?

Did Anthropic give you third-party benchmarks? Is that what you said to them? Yes, they're important, but the attitude is wrong.

Fudging benchmarks is a cheap way to get attention. If the model is really that good, it will have plenty of attention soon enough.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by exidex » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 7:02 PM UTC

threethirtytwo wrote: post #28

visha1v wrote: post #11

asian is bad wording. this is a japanese startup backed by khosla ventures. japan is an ally of west. the title makes it sound like a chinese company did this.

Patriotism makes people biased. Better to not hold an identity in this area.

People are biased by definition

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by greenavocado » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 7:10 PM UTC

fwipsy wrote: post #64

OutOfHere wrote: post #37

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Did Anthropic give you third-party benchmarks? Is that what you said to them? Yes, they're important, but the attitude is wrong.

Fudging benchmarks is a cheap way to get attention. If the model is really that good, it will have plenty of attention soon enough.

Yeah, what happened to that scam startup that alleged to have made a model context window breakthrough a few weeks ago?

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 7:21 PM UTC

w4yai wrote: post #26

lagrange77 wrote: post #20

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It is scary.

It is not. Where's the danger ? We will need to adapt, as in every technology progress, but what do you think will happen ? Realistically ? Don't feed the fearmongering. Yes, we're disrupting the status quo, if that's the danger, then welcome to the world.

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Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by prng2021 » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 7:22 PM UTC

itsdesmond wrote: post #5

prng2021 wrote: post #3

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Thanks for the irrelevant comment. I’m criticizing these Chinese companies because these aren’t accomplishments. Where did I praise Anthropic?

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by lagrange77 » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 7:29 PM UTC

w4yai wrote: post #26

lagrange77 wrote: post #20

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It is scary.

It is not. Where's the danger ? We will need to adapt, as in every technology progress, but what do you think will happen ? Realistically ? Don't feed the fearmongering. Yes, we're disrupting the status quo, if that's the danger, then welcome to the world.

> Where's the danger ?

It's not one single danger, its a can full of dangers in various domains. And in contrast to other dangerous technologies, we are talking about one that has the potential to self improve. This smells like exponential growth doesn't it? Exponential growth is something we are not very likely to adapt to successfully, even if you say we are supposed to.

But before you complain, here are just a few concrete dangers, that come into my mind right now:

- mass layoffs in a system that is far from being prepared for sth like that. (no UBI)

- a Mr. Robot tier blackhat at the fingertips of every teenager in their mom's basement in a software landscape that is far from being prepared for sth like that. Side note: Big parts of the world including critical infrastructure runs on software.

- because it automates more and more intellectual work, it can cause mass brain atrophy, which isn't a hopeful sign for the human branch of the evolution

- increasing dependence on a technology, that is in the hands of those with capital.

And to the OP: this technology has potential implications that are far beyond 'being behind' other nation states economically.

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Post by arw0n » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 7:40 PM UTC

MostlyStable wrote: post #45

lifeformed wrote: post #43

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Is it actually that hard to make good models or is it just about the amount of resources you have to do training? (This is an actual question, I really don't know.) I'm sure it's not trivial but does it really take world class secret knowledge to build off of the known existing techniques? I feel like there's tons of low hanging fruit still to explore, and time and resources are the limiting factor.

The gap between grok and Gemini to Claude and chatgpt suggests that yes it is that hard.

I suspect that Grok has been ironically lobotomized by pressures to correct its political views.

Similarly, I could imagine the Gemini folks working in a significantly more complex corporate climate, with different parts of Google pushing for different capability focuses. They are only lagging behind less than a year, so it isn't too large of a gap yet.

That said, the fact that Anthropic is currently the top dog suggests that talent and execution is incredibly important. A year ago none of my normie friends new them, and when i suggested using Claude looked at me like when I recommend Linux.