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Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by tptacek »

teravor wrote: post #262
nonethewiser wrote: post #258

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Could you give any example questions? I know what you mean about leading questions. It almost seems inevitable. There are two sets of languages.

without much thought put into it, something like: an accused murderer has been convicted with a probability of X% of having committed the deed. a sentence of death is warranted for X of: 1) Never warranted / unrealistic percentage 2) >99.9 3) >99 4) >97 5)

I really don't think any of the existing political quizzes are suffering for lack of questions about whether we should kill more people.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

boxed wrote: post #324
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #318

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Depends what you consider "woke".

Since no one has copyright on it, we have to consider all who say they are woke to be in that group. And there are some truly mad stuff going on there.

What kind of stuff are you thinking of?

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by nonethewiser »

human_person wrote: post #330
nonethewiser wrote: post #261

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> "The government has no right to legislate that a woman cannot have an abortion - women should control their own bodies." - Libertarian Left This classification depends on the aborted NOT being a person. If it’s a person then the libertarian position would be anti abortion because an abortion would maximally harm the individual liberty of that person. I think a clearer example of lib/left is gay marriage or drug leg…

This is incorrect. Even if the fetus is a person, it has a right to individual liberty. It doesn’t have a right to another person’s body. If it can’t survive without someone else’s organs it’s right to survival doesn’t out weigh the hosts right to bodily autonomy. An easy comparison is organ donation. We don’t require organ donation from corpses (much less demand organs from living people who have a ‘spare’) even tho…

>It doesn’t have a right to another person’s body.

It has a right to its body and 99.9% of the time its presence is due to the mothers decision making.

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Post by reverius42 »

PeterStuer wrote: post #323
reverius42 wrote: post #292

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> Stances that would have been mainstream left (democrat US) just a few years ago are now labeled MAGA (US) or 'extreme right' (EU). I'm guessing this is pretty specific to LGBTQ rights? (edit: and is maybe more like 15+ years?)

Not at all.

Care to elaborate on which stances specifically you're referring to, then?

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Post by MarkusQ »

tomrod wrote: post #216
MarkusQ wrote: post #79

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So are you saying Xi Jinping is the Classical Liberal and Bernie Sanders is the Comunitarian? Or are you saying it's the other way around? (For clarity: I didn't "flip" them, I'm saying that they are both Communitarian and neither is a Classical Liberal.)

Correct, which is why your question didn't make sense earlier. Typically, one would refer to the political compass as a good starting reference. It has two axes, left/right and authoritarian/libertarian. Communism is authoritarian left. DSA is more left, with some libertarian and some authoritarian. It's more regions than binary flags.

Classical liberalism: a political and economic philosophy emphasizing individual rights, civil liberties, limited government, and free markets.

We are are talking about the famous Xi Jinping, right? The one that rules China with an iron fist? And not just some guy you know who happens to share the same name?

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by boxed »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #332
boxed wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since no one has copyright on it, we have to consider all who say they are woke to be in that group. And there are some truly mad stuff going on there.

What kind of stuff are you thinking of?

Supporting Hamas. Backing trans male->female athletes in womens sports. The NDP Canada victim card thing is a more fun display you might want to start with.

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Post by phendrenad2 »

vrganj wrote: post #37

This wrongly assumes a few things about ideology, most importantly that there is such a thing as a "center" or an "unbiased" position. Since humans are inherently subjective beings and all our judgements come from our understanding of the world , such a position cannot exist. It's always "unbiased" from where the viewer is looking , e.g. a reflection of the ideology of the observer. There is no view from nowhere. The…

Bias is like air. It's impossible to remove all bias. Evenin space, there is bias. But if you're at one atmosphere, you can probably get it down to half an atmosphere relatively easily. This all-or-nothing thinking benefits no one.

Re: Political bias in AI: Where the AI models stand

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Post by tomrod »

MarkusQ wrote: post #336
tomrod wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct, which is why your question didn't make sense earlier. Typically, one would refer to the political compass as a good starting reference. It has two axes, left/right and authoritarian/libertarian. Communism is authoritarian left. DSA is more left, with some libertarian and some authoritarian. It's more regions than binary flags.

Classical liberalism: a political and economic philosophy emphasizing individual rights, civil liberties, limited government, and free markets. We are are talking about the famous Xi Jinping, right? The one that rules China with an iron fist? And not just some guy you know who happens to share the same name?

I think you may have thought I claimed classical liberal and communitarianism were verbal substitutes for each other. If so, let us blame my wording and the python-level looseness of English. My intent was to point out that folks sometimes have strange personal issues with the terms libertarian and authoritarian, and if they do, then without loss of generality they may substitute classical liberal and communitarian respectively.

Accordingly, your insistence on drawing an equivalence between Bernie Sanders and Xi Jinping reads as very bizarre and out of the blue since Xi is Communist (Auth-left) and Bernie is left (mix of auth and libertarian but left on the orthogonal axis to authortarian/classical liberal).

If that doesn't clarify your mistaken read, then let us leave the conversation where it stands as I'm not terribly interested engaging in further platforming someone's personal flamewar topic.

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Post by know-how »

rootusrootus wrote: post #174
bee_rider wrote: post #154

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The space (if it really is useful to think of as a space) of political opinions seems like it is probably many, many dimensional. The 1D thing is an obvious over-simplification, but the 2D compass seems to be a not-obvious-simplification which is… much worse.

> The 1D thing is an obvious over-simplification In general I agree, but in recent history it works pretty well if the dimension you use is Trump rather than left/right (assuming you are in the US). He is the most polarizing leader I have seen in the US in my lifetime, and knowing whether someone is a supporter is pretty good at predicting the rest of their viewpoints.

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