Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

semafor.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

581–590 of 873 posts

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

#581

Post by fspoettel »

spwa4 wrote: post #562
someguyornotidk wrote: post #558

If this becomes the norm, what incentive does the rest of the world have to keep their markets open to the US? If US companies have a large unfair advantage such that domestic competitors are no longer able to compete, then wouldn't it make sense for governments around the world to ban or tariff US products and services? If I was responsible for national economic policy, I would place this at the top of my non-emerge…

The US as a large-scale import nation and so does not need the rest of the world (except perhaps Europe, and only small parts) to keep its markets open to the US. Even in the European case, Europe would lose much more than the US would if they closed their markets. Plus, a lot of Europe is either very close to breaking point and unwilling to change (Italy), or rapidly worsening into a crash, and unwilling to change (…

Europe generates ~20% of revenue for US big tech which is a large part of its stock market. With how precariously coupled US growth is to these companies, it absolutely needs that market.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

#582

Post by itopaloglu83 »

theturtletalks wrote: post #151

>> More than 100 companies and institutions will now have access to Mythos 5, including many Fortune 500 companies, a source familiar with the new directive said, declining to be identified due to the sensitivity of the matter. Who are those 100 companies? Clearly they can't compete on merit and have rubbed some hands to be picked as winners...at least for now.

I don’t know if this has something to do with the administration or access to export controlled technology. There could be a licensing process, but I don’t think it would be public information, we don’t know whom each defense contractor sells to as public.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

#583

Post by basisword »

2838383838 wrote: post #573
mschuster91 wrote: post #560

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, as long as you stick to the rules you can do business in Europe and it can't be taken away from you. As long as you are in the US? No one protects you. Asset forfeiture, arbitrary sanctions, arbitrary tariffs, your employees can get arrested and deported right off the street if they happen to have non-white skin and live in a city under siege by ICE, and if you oppose the regime or just dare to not kiss the rin…

[flagged]

Depends on the country but in most you can do it online in 5 minutes at almost no cost.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

#584

Post by vachina »

baq wrote: post #458
bluegatty wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's huge incentive. The government has arbitrary commandeered their business. This could ruin Anthropic. They are walking a tight rope with respect to revenues, hype, IPO. If this kills their hyper growth prospects, it could kill the IPO. If there's a serious change the gov. is out of line, the judges could put a stay and possibly throw this out. There may however be enough of a case, in which there's maybe not m…

The government, once they see realized potential, will print money and give it to Anthropic if that’s what’s needed to keep developing the technology with gated access.

I find it ironic when it’s China who does exactly this (to protect their own interests), it is commie behaviour.

The Murican propaganda machine keeps turnin.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

#585

Post by itopaloglu83 »

naturalmovement wrote: post #306
mlinsey wrote: post #59

I understand why Anthropic might not want to fight this particular one in court, because they're trying to convince the administration to let them move forward. But would another company who is not on the trusted partner list and has less to lose taking on the admin have standing to sue here? On the basis of the export control being illegal and this putting their business at a disadvantage vs. competitors with access

Export control is not illegal where are you coming up with this stuff? Claiming ignorance is a good way to pay tens of millions of $ in fines or do prison time. Here's one from TWO DAYS AGO: https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/manager-us-freight-forw... She will be doing 18 months in federal lockup. The people in charge of enforcing US export law are worse than city building inspectors and the penalties are orders o…

I think it’s a general misconception with folks that export controls only apply to weapons, forgetting that it applies to many high-end manufacturing and technology.

I’m surprised about some of the reactions, but again anyone who has a security clearance wouldn’t touch any of this discussion with a ten-foot pole also.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

#586

Post by vachina »

mlinsey wrote: post #125
intrasight wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could just ignore Trump as he has no authority to so limit a private company.

The labs will not just ignore the order, there are too many other levers they can try to pull to mess with those companies. Just for some examples, think about the number of employees reliant on visas that could be revoked, the government contracts that the hyperscalers hosting them that could be canceled, the certifications that all the data centers need to be hooked up to the grid, the tariffs that could be put on…

US sounds like a communist country.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

#587

Post by lljk_kennedy »

spwa4 wrote: post #562
someguyornotidk wrote: post #558

If this becomes the norm, what incentive does the rest of the world have to keep their markets open to the US? If US companies have a large unfair advantage such that domestic competitors are no longer able to compete, then wouldn't it make sense for governments around the world to ban or tariff US products and services? If I was responsible for national economic policy, I would place this at the top of my non-emerge…

The US as a large-scale import nation and so does not need the rest of the world (except perhaps Europe, and only small parts) to keep its markets open to the US. Even in the European case, Europe would lose much more than the US would if they closed their markets. Plus, a lot of Europe is either very close to breaking point and unwilling to change (Italy), or rapidly worsening into a crash, and unwilling to change (…

[citation needed]

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

#588

Post by vachina »

petcat wrote: post #569
dgellow wrote: post #502

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Im really not convinced that can be solved with money alone. China has the money and infrastructure, they don’t have the chips. Europe doesn’t have the infrastructure or the money but may have some chips

What chips does Europe have?

STM32

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

#589

Post by itopaloglu83 »

spacebanana7 wrote: post #447
t0mas88 wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are export restrictions, so if the model is in London (how do you determine that? The weights? The training itself?) there is no need to export it from the US. Then Google may have found gold. They can sell it to everyone that can't get the best OpenAI or Anthropic models.

Usually export controls are applied to stuff where some significant % is made in America so a few US based engineers could make the project export controllable.

Or in the case of ASML machines, any company you can pressure to comply with your policies either by restricting their access to the technology you control or politics between governments.
Post reply on HN