Live data from Hacker News

U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

semafor.com

511–520 of 873 posts

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

#512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why? There are no Chinese military personnel and bases in Europe. The Chinese have not tried to take European land by force and China is also quite stable. It won't change it's mind every 4 years and negate international treaties that have been signed. I also don't recall China invading another country and/or kidnapping leaders of a foreign state in recent history. China also does not control the global reserve c…

I think the Europeans have had some bad experiences with the communist system so naturally they are not very keen to any get communist influence. Once China can twist your arm you can be sure they will. Just mention democracy to them and you will see what comes next.

China is an authoritarian ethno nationalist state-capitalist system. They are so far from anything remotely communist. The only thing communist about it is the name of their mono party

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

#513

So what happens to their $1T valuations now, given they can't sell the product to consumers, and open-weight models are closing in on competition?

I have a feeling that’s the same question Whitehouse asked Anthropic and OpenAI.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

#516

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My tin foil hat version of myself says it is because the whole thing is a marketing stunt and certain members of the administration are getting kick backs for it.

Marketing stunt by who dude? Do you really think Anthropic would really go this far? This whole situation is completely absurd. The federal government is arbitrarily restricting AI models without really providing any reasoning. This is not a clear and transparent government and it just feels like gears are moving behind the scenes that have lead this out of character restriction of private and extremely wealthy (at l…

Anthropic is successfully burning bridges behind them and making the path to profitability impossible for anyone coming from behind. If your model is “allowed by US administration” it’s an implicit admission that it’s either underperforming or undermined.

Thanks to these big guys the odds are stacking against any fresh competition. Data sources have dried up and training material is harder to get, regulation is controlling any advanced model, prices are inaccessible now, and they’re seeking that courts cut off the rest of the avenues, including the ones they used to get where they are.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

#517
post #493
post #479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I also regard the "doom from the companies themselves is just a marketing stunt" arguments as conspiracy-theory territory (especially since neither OpenAI nor Anthropic* changed their tune since before they were rich enough for meaningful lobbying): This particular specific doom is from the USG, Trump has a history of kayfabe, and there's a stink of market manipulation coming from the White House. * Musk, howev…

So, assuming they are moderately sane is "conspiracy theory"? Assuming they are evil unsane and actually believe that crap while doing what they do looks way more like conspiracy theory.

> So, assuming they are moderately sane is "conspiracy theory"?

Every time I've met someone who believes a conspiracy theory, they don't realise how not-sane the conspiracy they propose is.*

Founding a company on the basis you don't think the others are safe enough, raising capital on that basis, developing methods to improve AI safety, publishing literature about your methods, making open calls for legislation for safety standards, etc.?

While also managing to not leak documentation of this despite all the staff who did leave in order to openly speak about the stuff that they thought still wasn't safe enough?

Thinking that all the doom-talk from OpenAI and Anthropic** is just a PR technique even though they maintained this position continuously starting before they had any money or offices is about as sensible as thinking 9/11 was an insurance scam.

* by definition, because if they did they wouldn't believe it; actual conspiracies can of course be insane, but a conspiracy theory has to also justify why the "evidence" of conspiracy consists of people saying "I recon" rather than documents (specifically documents that mean what they think they mean, cf. "Mike's Nature trick").

** Again, just those two. I'm absolutely not fully generalising this, I'm absolutely not saying there's zero people who do as you say. Heck, the mere fact that this is a common talking point practically guarantees someone post-ChatGPT saw all the people claiming it was PR and said to themselves "great idea I'll do that".

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

#518
post #511

The current digital hellscape that's developing is something we've been warned about consistently over the past 30 years. All these dangers were known and predicted. There's an uncanny parallel with the climate crisis. Fatalistic somnambulism.

But contrary to the climate crisis and what all the AI boosters are saying, it is not inevitable. Its something that is actively being built, it’s not something that just happens. It can be stopped, a different system can exist. The AI crowd also hasn’t proven at all that what they are building can self sustain. So far the economics are monstrously bad, there is no viable business model
Post reply on HN