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U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by 0000000000100 »

ed_elliott_asc wrote: post #433
theahura wrote: post #342

> “I have determined that appropriate safeguards are in place to permit certain trusted partners to access the Claude Mythos 5 Model,” Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick wrote to Anthropic’s chief compute officer Tom Brown Friday why is the commerce secretary making this decision

My tin foil hat version of myself says it is because the whole thing is a marketing stunt and certain members of the administration are getting kick backs for it.

Marketing stunt by who dude? Do you really think Anthropic would really go this far? This whole situation is completely absurd. The federal government is arbitrarily restricting AI models without really providing any reasoning. This is not a clear and transparent government and it just feels like gears are moving behind the scenes that have lead this out of character restriction of private and extremely wealthy (at least on paper) companies without much media or presence of any kind from the fed's side.

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Post by eamag »

goldenarm wrote: post #450

Is there a world where frontier labs move to somewhere else like London to escape the business hurdles of the US? There are trillions at stake, is it a plausible scenario?

They already have offices in London and Zurich, but it doesn't let them to escape anything

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Post by SkitterKherpi »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #460
OtherShrezzing wrote: post #426

What’ll happen when Google Deep Mind go to release their next models, developed mostly in London? Are Google going to end up in a situation where the people working on their models cannot use the models after launch?

Restrictions are on good models. You might as well ask what would happen when Microsoft open sources Office

Gemni is really not that far behind, 3.1Pro was the best model or close to it when it came out, 3.5Pro likely wont be but whenever they get to 4 that could easily be Fable level, just later than when Fable itself came out.

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Post by koolala »

bluegatty wrote: post #420
koolala wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they would prefer Nationalization more than an IPO.

Definitely not. If this technology has export restrictions, then Anthropic and OpenAI will go out of business. Anthropic's revenues are already 66% international.

Being nationalized removes the fear of going out of business. They would become like the post-office but for delivering and centralizing all digitalizable knowledge.

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Post by usrusr »

somenameforme wrote: post #372
zarzavat wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Government's position is that Anthropic/OpenAI are forbidden from allowing non-US citizens use the models. This is impossible in reality because how can Anthropic know that the person sitting behind a Claude code session or API key is at any given moment a US citizen? You can check their ID on signup but how can they know that they didn't give their credentials to someone else to use? They can't. Given the imposs…

I don't think this is what happened. Anthropic could have absolutely complied with the government order, even in the most minimal fashion possible. Instead they chose to block everybody, and then give a link blaming the government. I think it's most likely that they felt that this would drive wide antagonism towards the government which would help put them in a more favorable situation for future negotiations to esta…

"Our models are so good they are banned by the government"

I don't see any way how releasing an incrementally better model could get even close to the positive PR. For every Mythos token not sold because of this they'll sell dozens of Fable, Opus and so on. Perhaps the ban did not origin at Anthropic, as a PR stunt, but genuinely at some government desk. Entirely possible. But Anthropic would be foolish to not pick up that ball and drag it out a little.

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Post by wahnfrieden »

zarzavat wrote: post #349
wahnfrieden wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you certain? Trump admin is hand-picking GPT 5.6 winners

The Government's position is that Anthropic/OpenAI are forbidden from allowing non-US citizens use the models. This is impossible in reality because how can Anthropic know that the person sitting behind a Claude code session or API key is at any given moment a US citizen? You can check their ID on signup but how can they know that they didn't give their credentials to someone else to use? They can't. Given the imposs…

In addition to what you're saying, Trump admin is also hand-picking which customers gain access to GPT 5.6 during this period. This is widely reported on.

That's why I raised skepticism that Anthropic has not been subject to that.

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Post by goldenarm »

eamag wrote: post #463
goldenarm wrote: post #450

Is there a world where frontier labs move to somewhere else like London to escape the business hurdles of the US? There are trillions at stake, is it a plausible scenario?

They already have offices in London and Zurich, but it doesn't let them to escape anything

I know, but what about leaving the US entirely to escape the export bans ? Like ByteDance and Shein left China for Singapore.

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Post by theplumber »

sschueller wrote: post #448
abroszka33 wrote: post #440

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a European I still prefer US over China.

But why? There are no Chinese military personnel and bases in Europe. The Chinese have not tried to take European land by force and China is also quite stable. It won't change it's mind every 4 years and negate international treaties that have been signed. I also don't recall China invading another country and/or kidnapping leaders of a foreign state in recent history. China also does not control the global reserve c…

I think the Europeans have had some bad experiences with the communist system so naturally they are not very keen to any get communist influence.

Once China can twist your arm you can be sure they will. Just mention democracy to them and you will see what comes next.

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