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U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by woctordho »

tyre wrote: post #154
Alien1Being wrote: post #120

Don't start to rely on it . The US might remove access next month in a fit of pique. The Chinese models look increasingly more reliable and safer.

This is a pithy internet comment, but terrible advice. Between the Chinese government and Anthropic, I know which one I'd rather send tokens to. For all of the problems of the US, for-profit corporations, data harvesting, etc. the CCP (and, perhaps more troublesome, its allies) is far less likely to align with your interests.

Don't trust US or China. Trust the open source community.

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Post by somenameforme »

zarzavat wrote: post #349
wahnfrieden wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you certain? Trump admin is hand-picking GPT 5.6 winners

The Government's position is that Anthropic/OpenAI are forbidden from allowing non-US citizens use the models. This is impossible in reality because how can Anthropic know that the person sitting behind a Claude code session or API key is at any given moment a US citizen? You can check their ID on signup but how can they know that they didn't give their credentials to someone else to use? They can't. Given the imposs…

I don't think this is what happened. Anthropic could have absolutely complied with the government order, even in the most minimal fashion possible. Instead they chose to block everybody, and then give a link blaming the government.

I think it's most likely that they felt that this would drive wide antagonism towards the government which would help put them in a more favorable situation for future negotiations to establish a more 'commercially favorable regulation regime.' In other words, build me a moat, now! The government responded by super-screwing them, but is doing so in a way that can help keep the corporate class relatively content while this plays out.

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Post by timurlenk »

bel8 wrote: post #369

This makes me sad since it implies that the best LLM I will ever be allowed to use is GPT 5.5 and Opus 4.8. Anything smarter than that is deemed too risky. So much wasted potential. And why would I pay Anthropic or OpenAI once consumer hardware gets powerful enough to run an open weight Chinese version of Opus 4.8? Even more so when mobile phones are able to run similar LLMs. Their financial growth looks doomed. It l…

Well, now I'm rooting for the Europeans/chinese to develop something better and release it.

One can hope.

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Post by jandrewrogers »

quietfox wrote: post #355
zarzavat wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Government's position is that Anthropic/OpenAI are forbidden from allowing non-US citizens use the models. This is impossible in reality because how can Anthropic know that the person sitting behind a Claude code session or API key is at any given moment a US citizen? You can check their ID on signup but how can they know that they didn't give their credentials to someone else to use? They can't. Given the imposs…

Comparing AI models with missiles is a far fetch as long as citizenship is the single qualifier used to decide who’s allowed to be a customer. This is not a security related policy, it’s about strategically controlled economic power.

This has a long history and the US government are not completely stupid. They understand that some cornerstone technologies are high leverage even if they are not per se directly militarily relevant.

Some classic examples of this, on which the US places severe export controls, was advanced materials science and inertial navigation technology. Neither of these are weapons but advanced technology in these domains greatly enables the development of advanced weapons. Any work in these areas is automatically subject to the full export control regime. In extreme cases they may be nationalized and classified.

AI tech is becoming just another tech domain subject to the same level of scrutiny. I’m not making a moral judgement. This was always going to be the reality and a lot of people could see it coming.

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Post by johnisgood »

naturalmovement wrote: post #339
hagemt wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's really frustrating to read pages of comments rooted in emotion and no understanding of the existing laws. I read your frustration. Try to let go of the fact that there are many smart people who aren't experts in legal affairs. Cite eCFR if they're wrong, and move on. As much as they don't know the rules, you don't know their situation. For all you know, the subscriber may be a US Citizen + Delaware C Corp owne…

At some point it becomes willful ignorance of history. I remember a time not very long ago when everyday crypto like 128-bit SSL was restricted under US export law. The old web browsers came in separate, "exportable" versions. [1] Phil Zimmermann was in big trouble for releasing PGP. That was the mid-90s. Clinton was President so this stuff transcends politics. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Netscape_Navigato…

Good, so it might not be over, considering everyone around the world can use PGP and browsers?

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Post by chvid »

It never made same sense that the most capable model was used by the CIA to create vault 7-like exploits while the same model was being used by another government project / random little people to patch up the vulnerabilities the exploits relied on.

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Post by jandrewrogers »

andsoitis wrote: post #366
vinay427 wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is exactly what they’ve been asking for. This doesn't directly follow from the first part of your comment, and more importantly seems inaccurate with respect to Anthropic's public statements on this situation. For example: > As we have stated publicly, we believe the government should have the ability to block unsafe deployments, as part of a statutory process that is transparent, fair, clear, and grounded in…

Tech companies have routinely outmaneuvered the slow machinations of regulatory bodies.

In fairness, they are up against a part of government that can move swiftly and authoritatively. They don’t have the luxury of biding time against a sclerotic and process-bound bureaucracy.

There is a good reason no one seriously tests the resolve of these particular regulatory authorities.

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Post by gizzlon »

jurschreuder wrote: post #347

It's a win-win game because both Anthropic and the Government are on the front page again pulling on important leavers. In the mass-marketing world it's less about who's right or wrong but who is perceived by the population to be pulling the leavers on the front page again.

I think this could crash the stock market: Their TAM is now a small percentage of what it was, with all the second and third otder effects that follow from that

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Post by alecco »

ksimukka wrote: post #377

ok, who in the EU is working on our own frontier model? surely we have the drive and ability?

EU just shrunk their AI projects and picked a very, very dodgy Italian company who has been burning money with nothing to show.
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