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U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by digitaltrees »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #238
coffeemug wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regulatory agencies limit uses of other products without acts of congress-- cigarettes, vapes, drugs, pesticides, chemicals, explosives. Even firearms, despite a constitutional amendment! Why not models? (Note I am not arguing it's a good idea; I'm making a narrow argument that there is precedent.) EDIT: I agree that it should require an act of Congress to explicitly delegate this power.

> I agree that it should require an act of Congress to explicitly delegate this power. Should ever new "weapon" invented require a new act of Congress? We've considered software subject this act since the 90s. If everyone making AI is screaming up and down that we are in an AI arms race creating dangerous entities that will determine the fate of the world is the government just supposed to ignore them?

No. But it could be done in accordance with the rule of law and commitment to equal access rather than an ad hoc approach that creates the impression of corruption and picking winners.

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Post by koolala »

bluegatty wrote: post #308
threethirtytwo wrote: post #291

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Also there’s no incentive to fight. They already have one of the best models. Mythos remains a trump card when a competitor releases an even better model.

There's huge incentive. The government has arbitrary commandeered their business. This could ruin Anthropic. They are walking a tight rope with respect to revenues, hype, IPO. If this kills their hyper growth prospects, it could kill the IPO. If there's a serious change the gov. is out of line, the judges could put a stay and possibly throw this out. There may however be enough of a case, in which there's maybe not m…

Maybe they would prefer Nationalization more than an IPO.

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Post by naturalmovement »

zarzavat wrote: post #314
mlinsey wrote: post #59

I understand why Anthropic might not want to fight this particular one in court, because they're trying to convince the administration to let them move forward. But would another company who is not on the trusted partner list and has less to lose taking on the admin have standing to sue here? On the basis of the export control being illegal and this putting their business at a disadvantage vs. competitors with access

Technically the US government is allowing Anthropic to serve the models to any US citizen, and it's Anthropic who decided that's impossible to comply with and so they pulled the model for everyone. I guess a US business with non-citizen employees could work. A lawsuit would be a hard sell though, because Anthropic themselves argued that the technology is dangerous. Even if many people on HN might think that Anthropic…

> I guess a US business with non-citizen employees could work.

No. Only if those employees have a green card and the company must not only take on that responsibility but ensure other employees are denied access. Otherwise the company would be subject to millions in fines.

US export laws are no fuckin' joke like everyone here seems to think they are.

It's really frustrating to read pages of comments rooted in emotion and no understanding of the existing laws.

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Post by digitaltrees »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #239
digitaltrees wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it was applied using principles of the rule of law with clear regulatory frameworks. This is not that

I’ve dealt with these regulations across several administrations. Nothing about this is novel, it is just receiving more attention than usual. Anyone could have started caring about this decades ago. You are making an argument from unfamiliarity with the regulations as practiced. If it takes Trump to force people to educate themselves on how the US government actually works then I guess that is at least one good thin…

I am aware that the government has always been involved in these types of issues. Even a season finale of silicon valley shows pied piper being required to navigate government oversight when it became successful and implied it was a badge of honor / success.

But you have to admit this policy seems ad hoc and creates the impression of opening a wide door for corruption.

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Post by SwellJoe »

zacksiri wrote: post #272
SwellJoe wrote: post #260

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I'll point out that a lot of the current administration and Republican Congress that enables the current administration are Ayn Rand fans.

They cherry pick and choose the parts of her work that fits their agenda, while forgetting the other parts.

Of course. No true Scotsman would ever do such a thing.

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Post by digitaltrees »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #229
sagarm wrote: post #194

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Jumping in to reflexively defend the admin again, I see. Is there any policy from this admin you don't support?

I am making an observation of fact. My feeds are full of ignorant hot takes that clearly demonstrate people have no clue about current law or how the government actually works. Your response is a perfect demonstration of this. This is neither unique to the current administration nor supporters of a particular party. I don’t support the admin but if you are unwilling to engage with reality then that is on you.

Make a case then based on Prior examples and why they are of the same nature and degree.

We are talking about the government giving exclusive access the the most transformative technology in human history to a select group of companies with no formal policy as to how you gain access, lose access, what you are expected to do with that access or commitment to transparency around any of this.

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Post by zarzavat »

naturalmovement wrote: post #323
zarzavat wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically the US government is allowing Anthropic to serve the models to any US citizen, and it's Anthropic who decided that's impossible to comply with and so they pulled the model for everyone. I guess a US business with non-citizen employees could work. A lawsuit would be a hard sell though, because Anthropic themselves argued that the technology is dangerous. Even if many people on HN might think that Anthropic…

> I guess a US business with non-citizen employees could work. No. Only if those employees have a green card and the company must not only take on that responsibility but ensure other employees are denied access. Otherwise the company would be subject to millions in fines. US export laws are no fuckin' joke like everyone here seems to think they are. It's really frustrating to read pages of comments rooted in emotion…

That was in reference to whether anyone outside of Anthropic might be able to have standing to sue at all, not the merits of the case.

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Post by brokensegue »

Cryptosale75 wrote: post #328

I personally believe that Dario Amodei is probably one of the 'less shitty' AI leaders. But literally no one is going to convince me that either 1. He overplayed his hand and fucked up 2. This is at least 'majority' PR.

You mean neither?

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Post by jraph »

Cryptosale75 wrote: post #328

I personally believe that Dario Amodei is probably one of the 'less shitty' AI leaders. But literally no one is going to convince me that either 1. He overplayed his hand and fucked up 2. This is at least 'majority' PR.

Did you mess up your double negation?
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