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Post by downrightmike »

multjoy wrote: post #242
miiiiiike wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have zero faith in the current generation of gen AI. I think the claims are overblown and the odds of massive unemployment is near zero. Even if the AI bubble pops, the world isn’t going to need fewer data centers. I don’t care if a data center developer/speculator loses their shirt. The data center will stand long after they fold and someone will operate it. Build it here. Create the construction jobs. Collect the…

When the AI bubble pops. It will, and it will be glorious.

laptops with tb of ram easy

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jatora wrote: post #287
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #134

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I think it's less about what data centers are and more about what they represent. * The lack of care of governments of the people's will: they're opposed nearly everywhere but city governments get them done anyway, oftentimes while ignoring more important local problems * The intrusion of the wealthy/big tech into people's lives. Large tech companies tend to be like insurance companies: they just appear out of the et…

I think it's a fool's errand to believe populaces resist data centers, or take up issues in general, for any of the rational reasons you listed. It's propaganda using m legacy/social media to fuel movements. The only question is who the propaganda is from. The boogeyman guess would be China but i honestly have no clue. Either way, when you engage most of those against data centers, their positions are generally basel…

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Post by downrightmike »

randycupertino wrote: post #2

> In Utah on Wednesday, State Senate President J. Stuart Adams—one of the most powerful Republicans in the state—lost his primary election after supporting a major data center development near the Great Salt Lake, in one of the clearest signs yet of the growing political risks tied to the industry. > At the local level, the fallout was just as direct. “Do I think that the data center vote cost me the election? Yes I…

The Great Salt Lake is already disappearing and likely to create massive toxic winds because of all the toxic waste dumped into it. Using up that water faster is not a good thing.

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Post by foltik »

jatora wrote: post #287
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's less about what data centers are and more about what they represent. * The lack of care of governments of the people's will: they're opposed nearly everywhere but city governments get them done anyway, oftentimes while ignoring more important local problems * The intrusion of the wealthy/big tech into people's lives. Large tech companies tend to be like insurance companies: they just appear out of the et…

I think it's a fool's errand to believe populaces resist data centers, or take up issues in general, for any of the rational reasons you listed. It's propaganda using m legacy/social media to fuel movements. The only question is who the propaganda is from. The boogeyman guess would be China but i honestly have no clue. Either way, when you engage most of those against data centers, their positions are generally basel…

What positions did you hear and conclude were baseless?

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Post by downrightmike »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #57
arjie wrote: post #46

Honestly, voter backlash occurs for every reason. Build more homes? Backlash. Build more wind? Backlash. Build more solar? Backlash. Build more geothermal? Backlash. Build more urban subway? Backlash. Build high-speed rail? Backlash. What I can conclude from this is that what is right to do and what voter backlash occurs in is orthogonal. I think it is right that we build all these things and more nuclear power, and…

How does a new datacenter help the voters? All they see is that their electricity prices are going to go up.

Their taxes and cost of living goes up, oh wait

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Post by kot_manul »

irishcoffee wrote: post #236
jyounker wrote: post #212

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> People believing they are entitled to dictate what other people do with their property, or believing they should have some say in the "character" of their neighborhood that involves non-public land just doesnt make any sense to me. Would you like me to buy the lot next to your house and set up a 3000W sound system pumping noise music 24 hours directly at your bedroom? Because that's what you're arguing for.

Generally the law concerning this is called: “disturbing the peace” and is not tolerated.

And laws are only as good as their enforcement.

Taking GP's example further, let's say they have enough money to build their 3000W sound system AND maybe also build a cushy new building for the local police, who will then respond to your noise complaints by telling you it's really not that bad and maybe you should invest in some noise-canceling headphones.

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Post by freejazz »

adamsb6 wrote: post #135
thewillowcat wrote: post #93

I can tell you, based on local examples, that politicians are setting up deals to bring in data centers without trying to build community support first. Not only that, they are often signing NDAs that prohibit them from telling voters what they have agreed to. It's no way to operate in a democracy, and voters are right to be angry.

I’m a voter who prefers we establish rules that be followed rather than encumber every project with a lengthy community dialogue.

"Lengthy community dialogue" is your assumption

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Post by darksim905 »

echelon wrote: post #50
darksim905 wrote: post #43

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I am really starting to dislike how half of the Hacker News community are behaving. This depressing miasma of pessimism is taking over, and it's absolute garbage. I don't think many of you like tech as much as you like the current punch card phase of it. You're content to live and die in the world as it is now and don't want to see it transform into something dramatically more capable. The point isn't to write C++ an…

Unrelated but I'm curious about how someone like you and your opinion and belief on UBI, unions for computer security people, and how this alien intelligence future will look like if most people are out of work and can't support themselves with an administration that doesn't care to support the people living on borrowed time.

I get it, eventually the things industrialized and automated industries that us geeks helped bring forth with widgets in the manufacturing world was eventually going to happen to our own industry too. But the way it's being done, with private equity destroying everything we used to hold sacred, it just isn't it, my dude.

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Post by doom2 »

arjie wrote: post #284
doom2 wrote: post #259

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> In a working economy, an increase in demand for electricity would be met with an increase in investment and capacity, and (at least in the long-term) would benefit all electricity buyers. The same should apply to memory and GPU manufacturers and yet I have seen no commitments from them to increase supply, so the end result is that consumer electronics are becoming ever more expensive compared to even just a year ag…

This is an unusual comment to read because many manufacturers are public and therefore have released their expansion plans to shareholders (and therefore the public). Most recently, Micron is planning to build much more because their clients have made purchase agreements to 2030: https://www.aol.com/articles/micron-just-locked-100-billion-...

> The hyperscalers building AI infrastructure are willing to pre-commit to HBM and DDR5 capacity through the decade because they cannot afford a repeat of the 2024 shortage.

Unless I'm reading it wrong, the article makes it seem like all that new capacity will be reserved for AI infra, not consumer electronics or personal computing, which is what my comment was specifically about. Happy to be proven wrong if Micron has said anything about reviving the Crucial brand or Sony committing to lowering console pricing because they (or their memory supplier) secured capacity.

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Post by hammock »

thewillowcat wrote: post #93

I can tell you, based on local examples, that politicians are setting up deals to bring in data centers without trying to build community support first. Not only that, they are often signing NDAs that prohibit them from telling voters what they have agreed to. It's no way to operate in a democracy, and voters are right to be angry.

It ought to be illegal for a publicly elected official to enter an NDA like that. It goes against the same principles that are the reason why we have things like FOIA
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