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U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

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Post by junto »

rgbrenner wrote: post #283

Im not worried about this at all. The OpenAI, Anthropic and the US government can play this game all they want... They're just accelerating the development of open source models; and helping destroy the lead the US has built in AI, and their profit margins along with it. This is like the battle between PostgreSQL and Oracle all over. Move up market, isolate yourself to enterprises, and watch while everyone else build…

Encryption is a better example. The USG tried exactly the same tactic in the 90’s. The NSA tried to shove the Clipper chip down everyone’s throats. The USG put export controls on encryption and people went as far as to tattoo the algorithms on their body.

But like you said, they will try to control it and fail. Like they always do.

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Post by pippo1974 »

The rest of the word at some point will increase chinese AI company. I am using some of their services and for many task they are good enough . It can be a winning strategy for a short period and a disaster in long term. Xi and China i think , are very happy of these decisions. They are building their model and their hardware. Even if for now it is subpar ( i don't know, it is an hypotesys), money that us will lose for this choice will make Chinese products improve a lot .

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Post by oytis »

jmward01 wrote: post #604

This is regulatory capture in action. This will make it hard/impossible for new vendors to come into the market and only established companies will get to play, and charge, for LLMs. What does this mean for open source? Will it become illegal to download weights? What about train your own? Are we heading to a world where GPU use is regulated to ensure that illegal LLMs aren't being processed on your machine? More bro…

So far it's only US doing this. I don't think it's in anyone else's interest to limit development of open source models or chips. Nvidia has secured a leading position in GPU market by being the best overall, but if US continues to mess up with the export, that changes the calculation and surely we'll see the alternatives

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Post by ZappoMan »

mediaman wrote: post #628
foota wrote: post #615

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? This is the opposite of regulatory capture. Neither anthropic nor openai are getting to choose what happens with their models.

Regulatory capture doesn't necessarily mean the regulated get to decide what the regulators do in precise steps. It can simply mean they support and exist within a regulatory regime that greatly benefits the regulated. In fact, you generally don't want them directly telling the regulators what to do. Instead, the regulators make complex, costly rules that only large establishment players can follow. The regulators lo…

Exactly! The thing that squeezes out new entrants isn't only the compliance cost, it's that your whole roadmap ends up resting on access you don't control.

We already saw the terms moved under us once with Fable, the retention policy changed and some requests started routing to a weaker model, none of us small operators had any say in that. Now access itself is a government decisions.

For anyone building on top of these APIs that's the real barrier, not the rule-following overhead but the fact that the ground can shift mid-flight and you can't negotiate with whoever's moving it.

Which is exactly why open weights start looking less like ideology and more like risk management.

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Post by hollerith »

jmward01 wrote: post #604

This is regulatory capture in action. This will make it hard/impossible for new vendors to come into the market and only established companies will get to play, and charge, for LLMs. What does this mean for open source? Will it become illegal to download weights? What about train your own? Are we heading to a world where GPU use is regulated to ensure that illegal LLMs aren't being processed on your machine? More bro…

>I can train insainly powerful models on my laptop

Explain. The labs have been spending about $100 million in compute to train a model.

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Post by sajithdilshan »

frollogaston wrote: post #551
hgoel wrote: post #415

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China has no reason to do that. The US is freely handing them the international market for AI.

US just needs their internationally usable model to be better than China's. If China catches up, US starts releasing more powerful models.

Let’s see how fast China would catch up. This would be a good indicator on how much Chinese companies relied on US frontier models to improve their own

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Post by microgpt »

guywithahat wrote: post #416
aristocrazy wrote: post #312

Given how the WH operates these days, this is ripe for corruption. Imagine the WH dislikes the CEO of a biotech company, while appreciating the attitude of a competitor CEO. What is to stop them from stalling on giving acess for the latest model to the company they don't like?

The tragedy is the Trump admin is setting the precedent and creating the framework which will be abused in the future. For all the complains he made about the deep state, he's just creating a new avenue for them to abuse power

We are living in the future, so who set the precedent in the past?

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Post by microgpt »

8note wrote: post #671
wincy wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same as it ever was. If you listen to interviews with Zuckerberg he’ll talk about the constant communiques from The White House during the Biden administration. Trump didn’t start this unfortunately he’s just more brazen about it.

which of facebooks major products did Biden pull on a whim? i dont remember whatsapp suddenly being turned off

Tiktok?

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Post by microgpt »

estearum wrote: post #513
mrinterweb wrote: post #472

The biggest concern is identifying "who". If the US government says only US citizens can access a model, how do they enforce that. Anthropic and OpenAI will use Persona (a company funded by Peter Thiel) to verify user identity. Verifying your identity with a government ID and linking that to AI is the dream of a surveillance state. Agents running on your computer, accessing your internet accounts, access to your pers…

No, not really. The biggest concern is the US government claiming it can decide who gets to use a product and brazenly kneecapping competitive companies who do such things as "write contracts and comply with them."

The US government isn't claiming that — it is telling you that fact.

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Post by peder »

martinjc wrote: post #397
tptacek wrote: post #388

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I see it too, but worth noting that this is basically unprecedented at least within the last 25 years; I think you have to go back to export controlled cryptography for another example of this kind of abrupt and targeted regulation.

A real headscratcher isn't it? And from a government that is supposedly priding itself on small government. How should companies navigate this? What's the framework they should operate within?

I don't think Trump has ever said he's in favor of a small govt
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