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The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by fsflover »

ike2792 wrote: post #547

While obviously requiring real-world ID verification will reduce privacy, is there really any actual privacy left on today's internet? Every company from your ISP to Google to every vendor you shop at can read your browser fingerprint and IP address, which in most cases is enough to uniquely identify you. For serious privacy-concerned users there are ways around all of this but the vast majority of internet users don…

The privacy tools that are working today will be much easier to block. Hence, any activists and journalists that the government dislikes will become even more vulnerable. We need to fight this and not give up.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by klik99 »

An administration that ran on anti-war, less regulation, free speech, and the news is war, AI models being regulated, and requiring identification for speech. Maybe the current administration are accelerationists who want to show how bad all these things are by doing them really badly? That seems to be the only valid read here (/s for those who need it).

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Post by ranyume »

ike2792 wrote: post #547

While obviously requiring real-world ID verification will reduce privacy, is there really any actual privacy left on today's internet? Every company from your ISP to Google to every vendor you shop at can read your browser fingerprint and IP address, which in most cases is enough to uniquely identify you. For serious privacy-concerned users there are ways around all of this but the vast majority of internet users don…

> While obviously requiring real-world ID verification will reduce privacy, is there really any actual privacy left on today's internet?

Privacy is not an on and off switch or an all or nothing. You have to defend the privacy you have and also fight to expand it as a human right.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by krieger_857 »

Hendrikto wrote: post #397
u8080 wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could download few terabytes from torrent site which will contain almost all books published prior to current date and use it offline btw.

No, you won’t be able to do that, because going online, or even logging into your PC will require ID verification.

use linux then, use a vpn, there's always a workaround

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by kulahan »

999900000999 wrote: post #215
kulahan wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad computers came in and saved you from your otherwise-inevitable life of cartel involvement, but I don't see what this has to do with the en-masse mental poisoning of children? I'm not even talking about politics yet. Cyber-bullying is insane . Either way, I genuinely don't believe "let's just hope parents... start doing better?" is a solution.

Parents do need to do better. Work on building self confidence. My family relentlessly called me stupid and lazy to the point where a cyberbully would of been an upgrade. You can always turn your phone off. A lot of God awful parents treat their kids like trash and blame everyone else when Timmy doesn't get into Harvard. Of all the people I've met with rough upbringings not a single one blamed anything outside of bad…

I am not sure I understand the simultaneous arguments that being a parent is very hard AND that parents should just do better and help isn’t needed AND this problem has been going on for over a hundred years (it hasn’t - this is the first time we’ve ever had a generation actually turn out dumber).

Could you clarify that, and maybe take into account the fact that this is indeed completely unprecedented?

If you have time, I also would love to hear how “parents should do better” fits into a plan where parents DO do better.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by wartywhoa23 »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #417
TFNA wrote: post #328

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> You aren't required to identify yourself to get a phone. You can get a prepaid phone with no ID. Requiring ID to buy a prepaid SIM card has become the norm across the developed world. There are still a few holdout countries, but they won’t hold out for long.

You say that as though it's a feature rather than a bug. Being able to have an anonymous SIM card is a useful privacy and security feature, to avoid things like "tell me the ID of everyone in the vicinity of this protest". (And that's one reason governments try to break that.)

People like the guy you replied to surely don't perceive the right to protest as vital.

Neither won't they ever fathom the fact that governments inevitably become full-on fascist to the meek bleating of a critical mass of ther ilk (check the sympaties to the Chinese surveillance below).

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by kulahan »

sdfsdfsd3443f wrote: post #348
kulahan wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad computers came in and saved you from your otherwise-inevitable life of cartel involvement, but I don't see what this has to do with the en-masse mental poisoning of children? I'm not even talking about politics yet. Cyber-bullying is insane . Either way, I genuinely don't believe "let's just hope parents... start doing better?" is a solution.

We need to calibrate the incentives. Parents can be held accountable for neglect and abuse. Giving your kids phones and letting them use it without supervision is abuse. Enforce it. Denormalize this bullshit. I have knives in my kitchen. Do I give it to them and let them run around the neighborhood? I could but there are consequences and I would be held accountable for it. Social media = knives or as some other comme…

The mere existence of something dangerous is an irrelevant comparison unfortunately. We didn’t invent knives and then immediately see an entire generation get dumber.

You’ll have the burden of needing to explain how any innocuous comparison you make still holds when we’ve never seen that kind of reversal in all of the time we’ve been watching as a society.

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Post by wartywhoa23 »

Kuyawa wrote: post #175

There is absolutely no privacy on the internet, Snowden told us 13 years ago but we all forgot. The government already knows everything about us, and I mean everything. It is extremely naive to think they don't or that you are safe behind a VPN.

If they already know, why all the fuss about ID enforcement?

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Post by wartywhoa23 »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #350
Kuyawa wrote: post #175

There is absolutely no privacy on the internet, Snowden told us 13 years ago but we all forgot. The government already knows everything about us, and I mean everything. It is extremely naive to think they don't or that you are safe behind a VPN.

If they already know everything, why is there always a push toward adding friction to the process they already know everything about?

Alreadists don't treat such questions as answer-worthy.

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Post by jolmg »

eigencoder wrote: post #518
jolmg wrote: post #468

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Probably got downvoted for failing this guideline: > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." I agree. Browsing the internet is not remotely comparable to smoking.

I disagree. Using social media is totally comparable to smoking. It's addictive, it's detrimental to health, and it's especially detrimental to kids going through puberty. "Browsing the internet", these days, mostly consists of social media platforms.

> It's addictive

You don't get withdrawal symptoms.

> it's detrimental to health

Not going to get cancer or other illness from it.

> Using social media is totally comparable to smoking.

Very much a stretch.

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