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> Seems like a lot of European tech companies are kept afloat by "digital sovereignty" and maybe EU grant money woah indeed.
Good ol' European statism at work.
Jolla Phone (October 2026)
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Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
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Huh. I really don't see the point of this, vs something like GrapheneOS. Edit: I'm well aware of the differences between typical Linux and Android (especially the security architecture!), and I'm willing to make some sacrifices in the name of FOSS... but only if it's actually FOSS.
I read somewhere that the owners have ties to russia, but the most important thing is that they’re marketing very aggressively through posts that slander GraphenOS.
Russian Aurora OS was an official Sailfish OS offspring, focused on MDM devices, but Sailfish cut ties with Aurora in 2022, after the Russia-Ukraine war has emerged. It's now developed independently of Sailfish, although they share the same code since the codebase was unified before the split.
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
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If what you want is android and you have privacy concerns, GrapheneOS is probably the best you can get. Then again, SailfishOS is a linux with much of the usual linux stuff like userland with bash, coreutils, glibc, systemd, wayland, pulseaudio etc.
And way less security, sandboxing is far more limited and the default profile looks pretty much YOLO: https://github.com/sailfishos/sailjail-permissions/blob/mast... Given how sensitive information most people have on their phones (banking, chats, and whatnot), it's a disaster in the making. The typical answer is "but I'll only use open source apps that I trust". Sandboxing doesn't only protect you against rogue apps…
It's very simple, this is about the threat model.
If you are worried about big players profiling you (hard to avoid, high likelihood of happening, low likelihood of damage), then you want Sailfish.
If you are worried about apps profiling you (easy to avoid, high likelihood of happening, moderate likelihood of damage), you want Android or iOS.
Graphene and Sailfish sit on different points on that spectrum, just like OpenBSD and Linux do.
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#114Wanted to mention that Sailfish has a lot of closed-source components, especially UI-related, despite the overall marketing/"vibe" making it look very open. If anything, AOSP (Android) is more open than Sailfish. I don't think this has changed with Sailfish 5, see e.g.: - https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-os-clarifying-claims... - https://docs.sailfishos.org/Develop/Open_Source/
If the openness is important to you, you may want to have a look at other GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinephone. The former runs an FSF-endorsed Debian derivative.
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
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> /etc configuration instead of the insanely bad system properties crap, glibc instead of bionic [...] The practical downside, however, is that this phone does not natively run Android apps, while GrapheneOS runs all Android apps bar those that require Play Integrity. Desktop GNU/Linux programs are either unusable or a terrible experience on a mobile device with a small screen and no mouse.
That's true, but is contingent on you running those Android apps for it to be meaningful. I have a very small number of interactive things I do with my phone. For me what matters is that writing software isn't a pain in the ass, my usual expectations on storage (eg remote filesystems) works and works well, maintaining my system works, my non-interactive system scripts work, etc. Almost all of this is broken on Androi…
For me the most and truest pressing issue is that cell modems are very, very tightly coupled with Android. It's still true for the Jolla Phone that it simply is a worse phone because the modem drivers are buggy.
My impression (also for Ubuntu Touch, etc.) is that all these systems use the upstream vendors' Linux kernels trees and firmware blobs for Android.
Unfortunately, since we are not talking about Samsung or Google, but just some random Chinese ODMs, it's usually years old Linux versions and ancient firmware blobs full of known holes (e.g. the C2 is running a Linux tree from October 2022). It's only thanks to the tireless work of postmarketOS etc. that some devices boot on modern kernels.
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
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My xperia 10 iii was 280€(+50€ OS) vs 500€++ for a pixel. But I hate phones. All I want is navigation, sms/call, signal, steam and firefox.
You might be interested in the callback: https://commodore.net/callback/ It's pretty cool looking! Very optimistic about it.
It doesn't have any web browsers. Who you are replying to wants Firefox.
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#117Ship to the US with GrapheneOS and I'll be first in line :)
The Mediatek Dimensity 7100 in this phone does not support MTE and the phone is unlikely to have a secure enclave. So does not meet the GrapheneOS requirements by a long stretch.
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
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/etc configuration instead of the insanely bad system properties crap, glibc instead of bionic (which has even worse POSIX compliance than Windows), ld instead of linker, FHS, not having a batshit insane No-Sockets rule, not needing to port software that already compiles and runs on GNU/Linux, X11/Wayland/Arcan, system services aren't entangled with Java, normal IPC mechanisms instead whatever the fuck binder is. The…
> /etc configuration instead of the insanely bad system properties crap, glibc instead of bionic [...] The practical downside, however, is that this phone does not natively run Android apps, while GrapheneOS runs all Android apps bar those that require Play Integrity. Desktop GNU/Linux programs are either unusable or a terrible experience on a mobile device with a small screen and no mouse.
SailfishOS (from Jolla) runs Android applications via Alien Dalvik.
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
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> Desktop GNU/Linux programs are either unusable or a terrible experience on a mobile device with a small screen and no mouse. Is this an assumption or coming from your experience? Because I'm typing this on a GNU/Linux phone in a desktop browser and use a bunch of desktop applications daily and haven't noticed. Of course if you run GIMP or something like that it won't fit unless you plug an external screen and a mou…
Could you please elaborate, which software is usable on mobile Linux except for Firefox? I've seen multiple people using mobile Linux, and they were using Firefox and webapps for everything, no exceptions.
I can use most native GNU/Linux apps on my Librem 5 like gnome-calculator, gnome-calender, gnome-weather etc. I can run Android apps via Waydroid. F-Droid works fine, too. Its default app store (https://software.pureos.net/categories) provides things like music players, OTP app, and games. Flatpak works, too.
See also: https://linuxphoneapps.org/