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Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by paxys »

ChrisLTD wrote: post #55
win311fwg wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does not introduce incompatibilities with earlier 5.x models? Frontier models are at a point now that there will never be a need for another major version bump, aside from those chasing marketing gimmicks. They are smart enough to adapt.

What would it mean to be incompatible with the other 5.x models?

New request/response schema, new capabilities, or really anything that would break your existing workflows if you changed “5.5” to “5.6” in your application.

There have been many leaps forward in the past - tool calling, reasoning, agentic loops etc. 5.6 doesn’t have any of this. More intelligence doesn’t necessarily warrant a major version bump.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by vatsachak »

All of these LLMs are getting better at being at an LLM

But GPT-5.5 is as useful an LLM can be; it has solved lemmas I've thought about for a year, it can implement typed STLCs in Rust when I give it a formal grammar, it can help me analyze Postgres planner dumps.

It's great at tasks that have short solutions but

- they cannot learn based on a project

- their long term planning capabilities are worse than worms

- they are unconfident in decision making

- their internal representations are disgusting compared to JEPA

- they don't have any "system clock" like humans and computers do

- LLM architecture is not modular like computer architecture or human brain architecture

There's so many issues with LLMs. I wish that companies can start working on the next generation of architectures before the bubble pops

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by jurgenburgen »

ChrisLTD wrote: post #55
win311fwg wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does not introduce incompatibilities with earlier 5.x models? Frontier models are at a point now that there will never be a need for another major version bump, aside from those chasing marketing gimmicks. They are smart enough to adapt.

What would it mean to be incompatible with the other 5.x models?

Only speaks Klingon

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by nsingh2 »

minimaxir wrote: post #33
Stitch4223 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the $200/month plan I’ve never ran into any limits or issues. The product can be used every day for extensive sessions and development. What is everyone doing that makes them talk about tokens versus dollars?

If you've never hit the limits, why not do the $100/mo plan?

From what my own experiences are, and what's on their checkout page, $100 is 5x base usage and $200 is 20x. If $100 was 10x, then I personally would drop down. They want people to go to the highest tier.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by win311fwg »

malnourish wrote: post #66
win311fwg wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does not introduce incompatibilities with earlier 5.x models? Frontier models are at a point now that there will never be a need for another major version bump, aside from those chasing marketing gimmicks. They are smart enough to adapt.

A major bump will be warranted if/when we can truly separate prompt from data.

That is a different product line. It may be recorded as a version bump for marketing purposes, as already mentioned, but semantically begins at 0.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by paxys »

amunozo wrote: post #69
paxys wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you are hosting it yourself on your own infrastructure it absolutely can be taken away.

But you have multiple providers, not just one.

And every single one of those providers would buckle under government pressure.

Fable itself is hosted on all major cloud providers. How many offer it today?

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by Y_Y »

minimaxir wrote: post #18
ddp26 wrote: post #8

I'm going to pre-register my prediction that GPT-5.6 Sol is significantly behind Claude Fable 5, as evaluated by general consensus once time has passed for people to get familiar with both.

I suspect GPT-5.6 Sol will at-the-least be affordable.

Affordable? I'd settle for available.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by pawelduda »

jdw64 wrote: post #44

I think GPT writes code the best. How well will it write in version 5.6? It gives me chills. Recently, I went head-to-head with GPT on nearly 2,000 lines of code, and GPT's solution was superior and faster. I even referenced multiple codebases on GitHub while trying, but they were incomparable to GPT. So using GPT brings both fear and excitement. The fear comes from realizing that this level of code is now the averag…

How do you judge what is a good or bad thing to learn from a LLM? So you don't have to unlearn the bad bits later
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