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Jolla Phone (October 2026)
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Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, but which pieces are put together there and which are already assembled elsewhere?
Exactly this (when nitpicking the phrasing). Is putting the finished unit in the box "assembly" of the delivered product? OTOH, I'm not sure how much it matters. Apple products are "designed in California" (which is a bit of a lie to begin with), and very much assembled overseas. Of more interest is how few units they've pre-sold compared to mainstream phones. I wish them well, but I doubt they'll change history.
Is putting the finished unit in the box "assembly" of the delivered product?
I've seen "Packaged in $country" on boxes before, so I suspect they are two different things.
Like food made in Canada that shows up in American chain stores being labeled "Distributed by QFC." There's lots of rules about this sort of thing.
Reminds me of back in the late 90's when Wal-Mart was all rah-rah about "Made in the USA!" on all of its products. Then my company bought every employee a Sam's Club membership and the cards were all marked "Litho en Mexico."
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, but which pieces are put together there and which are already assembled elsewhere?
Exactly this (when nitpicking the phrasing). Is putting the finished unit in the box "assembly" of the delivered product? OTOH, I'm not sure how much it matters. Apple products are "designed in California" (which is a bit of a lie to begin with), and very much assembled overseas. Of more interest is how few units they've pre-sold compared to mainstream phones. I wish them well, but I doubt they'll change history.
It's almost like a "ship of Theseus" problem. If something arrived in Finland for assembly that could theoretically be disassembled, does the final product count as being assembled in Finland? What even counts as "assembling"?
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#14Wanted to mention that Sailfish has a lot of closed-source components, especially UI-related, despite the overall marketing/"vibe" making it look very open. If anything, AOSP (Android) is more open than Sailfish. I don't think this has changed with Sailfish 5, see e.g.:
- https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-os-clarifying-claims...
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#15why this over Fairphone?
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#16Have they unlocked the bootloader? Can I install a different OS on it?
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#17What does "Assembled in Finland" mean?
Stuff gets put together in Finland to form the final device they ship, even if the parts aren't made in Finland. I think a dictionary lookup for "assemble" might help if this explanation did not.
Well, assembly can mean that a pick and place machine is assembling individual capacitors onto a raw circuit board, or it can mean a teenager putting the battery in and putting the battery cover on before packaging it. That’s why “look it up in a dictionary” comments aren’t helpful. We aren’t confused about the word, we are confused what it means in this use because it can have a VERY broad definition.
Pick and place PCB assembly is very different from the final assembly of batteries in terms of who is capturing value and building a reasonable moat. Their sales angle is around European autonomy.
Low wage workers putting batteries in phones is not that, but PCB assembly is much closer to that.
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#18What does "Assembled in Finland" mean?
Probably things like fixing the mainboards to the casing, putting in batteries, back covers, flashing the software, running hw tests, packaging etc.
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#19I hope it eats you if you don't wear your Christmas clothes
Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, but which pieces are put together there and which are already assembled elsewhere?
Exactly this (when nitpicking the phrasing). Is putting the finished unit in the box "assembly" of the delivered product? OTOH, I'm not sure how much it matters. Apple products are "designed in California" (which is a bit of a lie to begin with), and very much assembled overseas. Of more interest is how few units they've pre-sold compared to mainstream phones. I wish them well, but I doubt they'll change history.
there is a legal differentiation between putting a finished product into a box ("packaged in") and assembling component pieces ("assembled in")