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Re: OS9Map

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This is really cool, time to dust off an old PowerPC. I've been thinking about building apps for old Mac OS versions for a while with the advent of LLMs, glad to see someone is doing it.

This got me wondering if vibecoding might bring with it a newfound interest in developing apps for vintage computers. Are the LLMs that most people use trained as well on these older coding languages / platforms as they are on modern ones?

Re: OS9Map

#42

The cool thing isn't so much os9map (yes it's cool) , but the fact that the data wasn't locked behind some wall and they were able to do whatever they wanted with it. There are a lot of cool ideas out there that are thwarted because the data is just locked away behind something only a very limited web gui can access, and you are at the mercy of people who's greatest ideas are ways to make the most horrible money extr…

I agree that OSM is amazing, but

> The cool thing isn't so much os9map (yes it's cool)

OS9Map is absolutely the cool thing here, especially if you consider the platform lacks basics such as TLS and JSON parsing.

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#43
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I’m the author. This is an experiment of mine in figuring out how to let Mac OS 9 connect to modern network services and environments. Since Mac OS 9 doesn’t have out-of-the-box support for modern secure networking protocols, you often have to go through a proxy, which is pretty painful. I wanted to make it possible for an old Mac to connect to modern web services on its own. There are also two related projects for c…

Missed opportunity to call it OpenStreetMac or OpenStreetMac9.

Very nitpick, but you might need to ask for exemption by the OpenStreetMap foundation for using such a name: https://osmfoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy#4._Special_u...

Re: OS9Map

#44
post #24

Shameless plug : I'm working on https://cartes.app , a Web OpenStreetMap app. Far less difficult as coding for an old OS obviously, but still a challenge ! The Web has plenty of potential, but constraints too, mostly because of dominant actors, such as Apple that hid the PWA install button... Or Firefox not having any install banner, whereas chrome does. Can't post it yet as a proper subject, it can't handle top page…

God damn that sticks to your finger. Lovely touch latency.

Did you try it on an old device ? The experience on a less than 5 years old device should be quite fluid.

The mobile sheet maybe ? This one is hard : there is no good Web mobile sheet available yet...

Re: OS9Map

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can get a 1.67Ghz G4 Mac Mini on eBay with OS 9 preinstalled. It's wicked fast (especially with an IDE SSD adapter) There's faster single thread accelerator cards that were made for a while by a guy on the 68kMLA forums, but that was many years ago. I think Action Retro on YouTube has one that broke 2Ghz

> You can get a 1.67Ghz G4 Mac Mini on eBay with OS 9 preinstalled. It's wicked fast (especially with an IDE SSD adapter) The fastest Mac mini G4 topped out at 1.5 GHz, not 1.67. I'm the guy selling many of those Mac mini G4s upgraded with SSDs on eBay... just a hobby business. Also sell on my website at https://os9.shop where there's a FAQ where you can read more about it and why it's a good model/upgrade to buy or…

Huh. I thought it was 1.67 for some reason. My mistake!

I actually bought one a year or so ago from your eBay store though, looking at my records! Have recommended to retro friends in the Seattle area, too

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#47
I have a 2003 iBook sitting in one of my boxes, but I still haven’t had time to reinstall Mac OS 9. I tried with some CDs, but so far I haven’t been able to reset the volume, and Tiger loads automatically. I want to go back and keep using one of the most beautiful OSes Apple ever made.

Re: OS9Map

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post #22

I’m the author. This is an experiment of mine in figuring out how to let Mac OS 9 connect to modern network services and environments. Since Mac OS 9 doesn’t have out-of-the-box support for modern secure networking protocols, you often have to go through a proxy, which is pretty painful. I wanted to make it possible for an old Mac to connect to modern web services on its own. There are also two related projects for c…

I can't wait for the development postmortem ;)

Any hunches on why the iBook might not be working? I've been having hell with PRAM watch batteries recently.

Re: OS9Map

#49
So software with an UI comparable to a modern GTK3/4 uses 50X less RAM. Take notes.

Re: OS9Map

#50

16 MB RAM required, 32 MB RAM recommended... how refreshing! Great work.

Wow. As a comparison, I just opened a new Google Maps tab in Chrome. According to the Chrome Task Manager, the tab alone uses 433mb RAM and 34mb GPU memory footprint after first load.

Florb (an FLTK based map viewer similar to Dillo in specs) would use almost the same RAM as native Mac OS 9 software. And yet people say "JS software it's far better". Even a TCL/TK based viewer with TCCLib/TKLib it's far lighter.
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