It won’t decimate my privacy, it’ll just digitally marginalize me. I don’t have any ID that any of these sites will accept.
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#392Earlier quoted context omitted.
The tokens could be tied to the device and Apple account by a provider like Apple, in fact you don’t need to issue tokens, only provide a web api that Apple and other browser providers support, which attests age. This is certainly something that can be solved technically if we want.
It sounds like your scheme would only allow browsing the "adult web" on locked-down, unmodified devices running government-approved software. Frankly, that's worse than even requiring ID.
I’m just pointing out that it is in fact technically possible to lock things down. Whether we should or not is a separate discussion.
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#393I appreciate the wealth of technical solutions that don't violate privacy, but isn't this overlooking an important point: that children don't need to be connected to the Internet at all times from such an early age? Many internet and cell phone providers seem to take it for granted that children must be online, which is already a net loss for their privacy as they mature.
Its a tragedy of the commons situation. The benefits of being offline are dampened by the kid being out of the loop
This whole FOMO thing isn't as real, nor as detrimental, for kids as people try and paint it. That's not to say there's not an impact, but kids survive just fine - everyone misses out on this and that, even adults who opt out. Nobody ever keeps up or is involved with everything everyone's doing. Learning that that's okay, and how to handle that, at a younger age pays dividends as an adult.
Besides, there are many ways to still keep your kids connected to their friends without feeding the beast.
And I say this as a parent.
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Just off the top of my head, what if I want to use reddit mostly to talk about mundane things like local events in my city or technology and don't really care if that ties back to me, but I also want to ask about embarrassing health problems or just weird shit and I would rather not have that tied back to me? I should have no options without everyone in the world being able to easily find out about it? If some sites…
Which alternative measures do you propose to counter the society destabilising effects I've described in the original comment? Because I believe there are none.
People will go nuts even with their real names. People will lie even with their real names. See: Facebook. Doesn't stop shit. So don't ruin it for the rest of us.
Even if you are not American, HN is very tied to American culture, so I assume you dislike either Trump or Biden (or both). Which one should be able to arrest people more easily for their online posts? https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg7pyjxjxrvo
Are you a big fan of Peter Thiel? If not, why give him more power and money? https://www.openrightsgroup.org/press-releases/roblox-reddit...
Cementing Trump and friends' power may be considered some form of stabilization, but it's not one that I'm a fan of.
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There is a much easier solution that already exists - parental controls on children's devices. I honestly don't understand why is it not solving the problem? Yes, parents are responsible to set this up. But parents are also responsible to lock their alcohol, drugs or guns, condoms, etc., and many other things. Perhaps parental controls are not good enough? That's where the regulation could genuinely help - require ch…
Why would you want to lock condoms?
Have you missed the recent moral panic about the declining birth rates of white children? Brought to you by the same people who hate pronouns [0], trans people, and/or covid vaccines. In such a world, condoms will be required for non-whites (or race mixing relationships) and forbidden to aryan/white couples.
Notes:
0 - For an example of using 2 pronouns in one sentence: "I am he".
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2018%3A6-8...
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#397Earlier quoted context omitted.
But what about entering one anonymously?
You could download few terabytes from torrent site which will contain almost all books published prior to current date and use it offline btw.
No, you won’t be able to do that, because going online, or even logging into your PC will require ID verification.
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Do you know any librarians? Public libraries have always been a bit punk rock.
Punk rock has always been right wing. Libraries are about as far from this as they can get.
Has always been anarchical, so in essence it's in opposition to any form of authority that's predominant at the time. It makes zero sense to call it left or right wing.
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You miss the point - they are stitching it all together in a way that deanonymize you to your ISP under the guise of save the kids and then convenience
This is a very libertarian and ultimately low-trust forum where most people seem to think the government is out to get you, but I have to say: what's so great about having complete online anonymity anyway? I mean, seriously. Real life is not anonymous and consequence free either, why should online life be? It's not as if there are no downsides. There are, and some of them are so severe that they are impacting the who…
> Real life is not anonymous and consequence free either, why should online life be?
In real life you are largely anonymous if you go to any place that is not in your social circle. If I go to any physical store under the sun and pay in cash I remain completely anonymous. The only exception is staff checking your ID for alcohol etc. if you look underage, but that datum is only stored in one persons brain for as long as they bother to remember. Many people would take issue if the clerk noted every persons name when getting carded.
> what's so great about having complete online anonymity anyway?
Because liberal governments can always become repressive governments. Unless you have absolute faith that your government will never do something you have a moral objection to, you can never be sure that anything you are, believe or do will not be censored or land you in jail in the future. Infrastructure that has a minor benefit under a "good" government, but would serve as a major tool of repression under a tyrannical regime should not be built out of principle.
As a thought experiment, ignoring issues with technical feasibility, would you approve if every person is only allowed to leave the house, under a stiff prison sentence for violation, if they wear a shock collar that can be activated remotely by a law enforcement official? That way, if police want to arrest you, they don't need to use violence and they don't have to chase you if you tried to run. It would make the police's job a lot easier, would it not?
> If we can make sure that every real person can only have 1 social media account per platform, and if we can check that someone is an adult, and if (and only if) we can do that in a privacy preserving manner... then honestly, I don't see why I would be against that. I'm ok with being held accountable for what I do online
To the extent that political discourse is shaped by astroturfing, realistically it'll just give a monopoly of influence to whoever controls/bribes the company or entity doing the verification. There certainly would be technical/cryptographic solutions where there isn't some central entity with a master key, but I doubt that it'll work like that anywhere, especially if it requires a citizen safeguarding his own keys.
> I want to pay that price to prevent the severe outside interference we've seen in elections and in our politics.
Outside interference in the form of legal bribes (lobbying) and sometimes less legal forms of corruption has orders of magnitude more sway over politics than whatever the public may effect in elections.
> You and many others might not be, but it seems like you've lost the argument.
It's ridiculous to imply that there was any serious public debate on this.
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#400I am always surprised that people get shocked when online privacy is put at risk, as if it was a fundamental human right. REMOTE PRIVACY NEVER EXISTED BEFORE A FEW DECADES AGO! And what happened in these decades are enough for the societies to wonder whether this new possibility in human connections (i.e. remote privacy) is globally a good thing. Just stomping your feet because the new toy may be declared illegal is…
You see, when the governments are outraged that they can't monitor all facets of communication or are disallowed from using their shiny new ways to automatically observe and categorize billions of datapoints to automatically surveil-by-default millions of people, that is called having serious doubts and grave concerns, very important stuff. When the people are outraged that a freedom they've enjoyed for several decades now, many growing up with them, are taken away, that is called throwing a toddler temper tantrum, how abhorrent. Why can't you just be reasonable and compromise will all these legitimate concerns that they somehow didn't care about in the last 30 years? Stop protesting or being angry, you need to sit at the table and have a 'serious discussion' (in 100% of cases when this is brought up in this tone, that means "give endless concessions and compromises to make them go two steps forward, one step back - just give them everything they want, but incrementally this time!")