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Thinking of Selling on eBay using Paypal? Think Again

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Re: Thinking of Selling on eBay using Paypal? Think Again

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My mind read it as "stickied".

I had read it as "Sticky-D", which didn't evoke the best imagery. Yours is much better.

I think "Sticky-D" is a much better interpretation. It is got "swag" or "je ne sais quoi" for the more literate crowd. But "stickied" makes me think of old ladies and post-it notes.

Re: Thinking of Selling on eBay using Paypal? Think Again

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I stopped selling things like this on eBay a long time ago because I do not sell things frequently enough to keep up with the scams du jour. My local craigslist is where my for-sale items now go. Sure, I may get a little less than top-dollar for an item, or it might take a little longer to sell, but I'm never left with some after-the-fact dispute where I have no control (note: I'll only accept cash). eBay was fun whi…

> A true "amateur to amateur" auction type sales website is an area begging for competition... Really? Because this is the area eBay started in, and they pivoted to more "online retail" than "online yard sale" because (surprise!) there is a lot more money in retail. Really, eBay is more today's Viaweb than an evolution of either p2p sales or auctions.

Yes, really.

Keep in mind a LOT has changed since the beginning. When eBay did that pivot, there were far less options for small retails sellers to put their products online easily and efficiently.

Ultimately, I think it would be near impossible to serve both markets well. eBay certainly serves the amateurs poorly, so that area is ripe for competition (IMO). Maybe serving the "pro" market would be bigger overall, and maybe even more profitable, but an "amateur eBay" executed properly would make someone a metric fuckton of dollars.

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The OP says he "Only sells to people with significant positive feedback", "Only ships to CONFIRMED Paypal addresses", and "Requires Signature Confirmation for items over $250" Does ebay policy allow this? I thought the seller had to sell to the winning bidder, regardless of buyer's feedback, etc.

Those are flags you can set in your sale, regarding feedback at least. If someone has negative feedback, or lives outside of a list of countries, or has unpaid item strikes, the user won't even see your sale. Confirmed address is a paypal policy you can also turn on, which forces the seller to use their paypal confirmed address when checking out or none at all. If someone wins and they ask you to ship elsewhere, you…

You cant set a flag for having little or no feedback, only bad feedback.

So if I am a brand new ebay account with zero feedback, I can still buy.

Its annoying.

Re: Thinking of Selling on eBay using Paypal? Think Again

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Stop using eBay and Paypal. If you look, you can find stories like this every week since about 1999. This sort of behavior isn't new yet eBay continues to grow.

Because it works for most people most of the time. That is why I continue to use eBay as a buyer.

Especially for sellers with thousands of sales. They would get no benefit from scamming you even if they could because bad feedback = lots of lost sales.

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Is this behaviour of PayPal possible only in USA, or it also applies to EU countries? Does EU regulations enforce some additional protection mechanisms for both sellers and buyers?

I'm also wondering this. Most of the stories I hear are of issues in the USA/Canada rather than the EU. I bet we get our fair share of scams too but it'd be nice to know if there are any other protections (especially in the UK).

Just my 2 cents, i've sold two smartphones on eBay and not had any issues. I once did have a scam buy-it-now where they'd asked to ship to a foreign country but was able to relist quickly and sell to a legitimate buyer.

Re: Thinking of Selling on eBay using Paypal? Think Again

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post #11

I stopped selling things like this on eBay a long time ago because I do not sell things frequently enough to keep up with the scams du jour. My local craigslist is where my for-sale items now go. Sure, I may get a little less than top-dollar for an item, or it might take a little longer to sell, but I'm never left with some after-the-fact dispute where I have no control (note: I'll only accept cash). eBay was fun whi…

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Dude, why can't I just browse a bunch of products for sale? That's all I want to do, I don't want to sign up to your site. I just want to see what's listed and possibly buy some parts. I'll probably check back again tomorrow if I see a few interesting things, probably in my lunch break at work. I've been thinking about getting a Garrett 3071 turbo kit but haven't given into the temptation yet -- but probably after seeing one listed for a few days I might cave in and buy it on impulse.

But I won't, because I don't want to sign up to be able to window shop...

and I stopped looking at your site after about 15 seconds as a result.

Re: Thinking of Selling on eBay using Paypal? Think Again

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post #169

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It would be considered a form of shoplifting wouldn't it? (Honestly curious here)

I'm not a lawyer or a police officer, but doesn't this sound more like fraud?

IANAL either. BUT, I know a guy who had his car stolen through fraud. The fraudster gave him a bogus cashiers check (and his bank took over a month after deposit to alert him that the check was bogus).

His car insurance paid out on a theft claim. I'm sure there were more details to it, but I've never heard of "fraud insurance" as part of an auto insurance policy.

Re: Thinking of Selling on eBay using Paypal? Think Again

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Fascinating, back in the way back time when Ebay was first starting, the only way I would sell something was payment in advance, but check. Further the check needed to clear my bank before I would ship the merchandise. This was a pain but it was the only way to do business if you wanted to avoid fraud. Paypal made this so much easier, they would carry the risk if it was a 'certified' account.

The whole "not as described" is an impossibly giant and stupid loophole.

Back to asking for checks I guess.

Re: Thinking of Selling on eBay using Paypal? Think Again

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course. If you look their website now and their SEC filings, it is clear that eBay is not any more "garage sales on internet with auctions". It is more like discount store. Are there any of YC companies building "garage sales on internet"?

just wondering how would you expect or how do other companies currently avoid fraud. The costs associated or added with constantly investigating fraud would almost seem like a deterrent in making a system useful.

In the instance of online auction marketplaces, you could create an escrow system where the seller ships the good to the auctioneer's warehouse (with some practical limitations) who verifies condition and that the good is legitimate (not stolen). Buyers pay money to the escrow company (e.g. Ebay) who ships the goods and send the money to the seller. Any chargebacks go against the escrow company who also happened to have validated the good and can use TOS/Legal Agreements to fight the chargeback on grounds of item quality. In this situation, they could also probably finagle a decent relationship with the CC processors to streamline the process and weed out fraud.

Is that workable? Quite possibly. Is it probable? Probably not.

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