Umm, is anybody depending on the model to separate data from instructions? Pydantic (popular in Python ecosystem) raised VC money to make AI conversations safe.
What happened after 2k people tried to hack my AI assistant
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Re: What happened after 2k people tried to hack my AI assistant
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you have a confounding variable or a dependency that influences the experiment to a degree that invalidates the premise of the experiment, you need to put more weight on this in the conclusion. For me this reads a bit like if I added an AI software that scans for shoplifters, and then placed a security guard at the exit of the store that watches the people shopping at the same time, and then said that the AI softw…
Again, you are reading a conclusion into the blog post that was never stated. The only stated thing was that the author changed their mind slightly about AI. There are no general conclusion that you so eagerly are trying to dismiss.
Author here, that's how I meant it. I changed my mind slightly, prompt injection can still happen, I am still careful.
Re: What happened after 2k people tried to hack my AI assistant
#83I sent one, but the sender on the attack log doesn't match the email I used. It matches my name (and yours) though! Not sure if intentional or an LLM artifact, because that mask (fer**@gmail.com) appears 268 times. It was the Rust execution request: 1 fn main() { 2 println!("{}", String::from_utf8_lossy(&std::fs::read("zljyl{z5lu}".chars().map(|c| ((c as u8) - 7) as char).collect:: ()).unwrap())); 3 } Complete below…
Did you send this recently? I turned off the agent. Was too expensive to keep it up.
Re: What happened after 2k people tried to hack my AI assistant
#84Cool project, but what do you gain from publishing most of an email address in the attack log? This is not public information, you shouldn't hint addresses with partial censoring (forgetting domains are clear text and holding personal information).
I would not attempt to interact with you because of this.
Why not create a fake sender (EG: attacker1,2,3..) per unique account to show individual attempts (keeping the log logic) while protecting your audience`s privacy?
Re: What happened after 2k people tried to hack my AI assistant
#85Am I missing something important or does the author completely skip over whether people got the agent to respond to them? > Fiu was instructed not to reply to emails (it was too expensive to reply to every email), but it had the ability to do so. Part of the challenge was convincing it to respond. > The secrets never leaked I would say if the agent responded to a mail, that demonstrates a successful prompt injection…
Author here. Edited the post to clarify that there were no unauthorized replies. I did tell Fiu initially to reply to some emails as a test, but it was too expensive to maintain.
How compatible is never replying with the threat model you are trying to avoid? Attack success is probably more likely when the attacker can iterate based on replies or engage in multi-turn conversations. Here they’re just taking stabs in the dark with no feedback. Does that accurately represent the access a real attacker might have?
Re: What happened after 2k people tried to hack my AI assistant
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Author here. Edited the post to clarify that there were no unauthorized replies. I did tell Fiu initially to reply to some emails as a test, but it was too expensive to maintain.
How compatible is never replying with the threat model you are trying to avoid? Attack success is probably more likely when the attacker can iterate based on replies or engage in multi-turn conversations. Here they’re just taking stabs in the dark with no feedback. Does that accurately represent the access a real attacker might have?
In my case, it is realistic as my agents don't have permissions to reply to emails. But you correctly point out this doesn't cover all cases.
Having the agent reply would have been more fun and a better excercise, but too expensive.
Re: What happened after 2k people tried to hack my AI assistant
#87> I am less worried about prompt injection now. Why? The exfiltration vector was known, the sample size was small, and the safety instructions were likely statically positioned. In regular operating practice, none of these three guarantees may hold.
100%. I am less worried because I thought this would be easier to crack.
Re: What happened after 2k people tried to hack my AI assistant
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the service stayed up then there was no denial of service
From the link: "Batch processing contaminated the experiment. When the first few emails in a batch were obvious prompt injections, the agent became more suspicious of everything that followed. I had to change the setup so that each email was processed in a fresh context." It sounds like the usability of the actual authorized user being able to email it and get things done was ruined, because if it retained context be…
This openclaw was set up exclusively for the challenge.
Re: What happened after 2k people tried to hack my AI assistant
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
How compatible is never replying with the threat model you are trying to avoid? Attack success is probably more likely when the attacker can iterate based on replies or engage in multi-turn conversations. Here they’re just taking stabs in the dark with no feedback. Does that accurately represent the access a real attacker might have?
In my case, it is realistic as my agents don't have permissions to reply to emails. But you correctly point out this doesn't cover all cases. Having the agent reply would have been more fun and a better excercise, but too expensive.
What makes it expensive to reply to an email?
Customer service software regularly uses AI responses for email. Is the issue that your agent using the claw for more than needed (like it's clicking send rather than just accessing an API?)
Re: What happened after 2k people tried to hack my AI assistant
#90Basically no one really tried so there is no learning here, which is what I originally predicted.
That is, there was no value to any serious attempt here, just a handful of folks casually sending an email.
Other companies (actual targets) have been hacked via prompt injection.
This is like me offering up my Mac minis public ip to hackers, why would any actually good hacker want to hack my personal Mac mini? (They wouldn’t)