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The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy
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Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy
#332Do you think that this will lead to a new version of a alternative "internet" where people try to avoid the government control? And is that even possible? Or will we all just comply?
only for a short while longer. US, EU, China, and Russia are all on the same page about you-vill-ovn-nothing-und-you-vill-be-happy kind of future, and they will bully the rest of the world into compliance.
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#333Earlier quoted context omitted.
People on average aren't very smart and will happily support programs objectively harmful to them and everyone else because the government and a nice lady from the breakfast TV says it's necessary to think of someone's else's children watching porn (this soundbite is gross. I don't understand how it's okay for the serious people to repeat it).
Of course it's accurate to say a lot of people aren't smart. A lot of people also may or may not be smart but have limited knowledge of this area and limited time/effort to expend thinking about it. I don't think you should rail against those things because they will always be true for every topic. Instead, people who have understood the deeper implications of this, for instance the typical HN reader, need to connect…
But I'm expressing my opinion on HN, not for the general public?
I thought that stating this, I believe, fact as a contributing factor in the creeping authoritarian climate would be understood without having to attach a handful of caveats and papers?
(you're contradicting yourself)
Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy
#334I’m glad this is finally becoming the cause célèbre du jour. This feels like THE FIGHT or at least one of the TOP 3 THE FIGHTS and it hasn’t had even a fraction of the public’s attention until now.
>I’m glad this is finally becoming the cause célèbre du jour. It really isn't, though. Don't mistake the internet for reality. The majority of people in the US and Europe support laws like these, and most of the rest don't care. Even on Hacker News the consensus is mostly in favor of anything from age restriction to making all social media illegal.
>The majority of people in the US and Europe support laws like these
okay then, show us a poll where the majority answers "yes" to an unambiguous question like "are you in favor of having to provide your ID or scan your face to access the Internet?"
"The majority of people in the US and Europe" support laws against drugs, for example, but would likely object to having their cavities searched three times a day.
Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy
#335Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy
#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article talks about the possibilities of malicious cloning of these tokens by third parties, but fails to identify the much more common use case, and one that makes this scheme useless for age verification. It's one thing to be concerned about someone stealing my credential, but another to prevent the transfer of these credentials, especially if they are limited use credentials. The entire point of age verificati…
Yes, this is the part of the issue that is so frequently ignored: Anonymous age verification schemes are easily defeated through proxying because there wouldn't be any consequences for selling your tokens. "Install this app on your phone and we'll pay you $1 per day" and it will mint your anonymous identity tokens and send them off to kids who want to buy them. If there's no way to track the tokens, there is no possi…
There is a way to prevent this (or at least slow it down), but that way requires device integrity protection.
With integrity protection, tokens can only be minted with a government app, driven by both biometrics and physical human hands touching the physical screen. There's no way to do it in the background. Without it, you can indeed have a single activist mint 10 billion tokens and give them out for free, defeating the entire scheme.
There's a CAP-style triangle here. You can have age assurance and anonymity but lose the ability to run your own software, have age assurance and device control but lose anonymity (via traditional ID checks, which don't require IP in theory), or have anonymity and device control but lose age assurance.
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#337Earlier quoted context omitted.
The tokens could be tied to the device and Apple account by a provider like Apple, in fact you don’t need to issue tokens, only provide a web api that Apple and other browser providers support, which attests age. This is certainly something that can be solved technically if we want.
It sounds like your scheme would only allow browsing the "adult web" on locked-down, unmodified devices running government-approved software. Frankly, that's worse than even requiring ID.
what you say which is the real thing, is the total institutionalisation of everything, the very wet dream of beurocrats everywhere, and of course done because "they have no choice", and are free to claim a pure lack of any motive or underlying agenda, and the vicious cycle of "just doing there job" enters our world, again.
Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy
#338Sounds better in German: https://mises.org/mises-wire/papiere-bitte-papers-please
Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy
#339Maybe it will kill social media? And maybe that's a good thing?
If it was just social media and pornography, I wouldn't be too bothered but it's not.
Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy
#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a much easier solution that already exists - parental controls on children's devices. I honestly don't understand why is it not solving the problem? Yes, parents are responsible to set this up. But parents are also responsible to lock their alcohol, drugs or guns, condoms, etc., and many other things. Perhaps parental controls are not good enough? That's where the regulation could genuinely help - require ch…
That's not the problem governments are solving. They're solving the problem of convincing the public it's a good idea to end the anonymity of internet use.
which begs the question, In preparation for what?