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Framework's 10G Ethernet module exposes USB-C's complexity

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Re: Framework's 10G Ethernet module exposes USB-C's complexity

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Post by Dylan16807 »

naturalmovement wrote: post #62
gobelet wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course you can use the modules on any other brand of laptop. It's not going to look pretty doing it, but I've routinely used the USB-C to USB-A, as well as the mini SSD, on a MacBook Pro. Colleagues borrow them all the time when they need a SD card or MicroSD card reader. Is it as pretty as a dedicated reader for those cards? No, but it does the job. Saying they're proprietary is misleading a bit. The form factor…

It is not mechanically fit for purpose. You can likewise put 26" rims on a Ford Fiesta but it will look and function equally poorly.

Slap on a 4 inch extension cable and it's not meaningfully worse than any other dongle.

Re: Framework's 10G Ethernet module exposes USB-C's complexity

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Post by parineum »

rjzzleep wrote: post #76
merpkz wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Raspberry Pi 4 doesn't need a fan. People just like to put them on because because micromanaging CPU temperature is part of the hobby for some. Yes it might throttle its CPU speed when going full tilt for some time, but lets be real how many workloads require poor Raspberry Pi to be loaded 100% for prolonged periods of time?

If it throttles CPU it means by definition means that a fan helps. Also constant heat increases failure rate.

Cycles of heating and cooling are what increases failure rates. The thermal expansion and contraction causes issues.

Re: Framework's 10G Ethernet module exposes USB-C's complexity

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Post by znpy »

nrp wrote: post #70

Point of clarification since it isn’t clear from the title. This isn’t a Framework product, but a product by Wisdpi designed for the Framework Expansion Card form factor.

hey Nirav, dumb question: would it be possible to have usb-c ethernet adapters using intel chips in order to have vPro features on framework laptops (along with vpro-enabled intel chips) ?

That's probably the missing cherry on top, as having vpro once the framework motherboard gets reused as a home server it gives some manageability features.

Re: Framework's 10G Ethernet module exposes USB-C's complexity

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Post by Aissen »

Before Jeff first talk about this, I got one of those cheap Ethernet adapters (with the new realtek chip) on aliexpress for ~55€. It works really well, but I don't have USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 hardware, so I only get ~4Gbps out of it. But I'm pretty happy to break the 1G barrier, and the adapter will be useful in the future when I get better hardware; and I don't have to go through a 2.5Gbps or 5Gbps step.

Re: Framework's 10G Ethernet module exposes USB-C's complexity

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Post by sourcegrift »

naturalmovement wrote: post #52

Only Framework could reincarnate godawful PCMCIA cards as proprietary USB-C dongles and be praised for it. Insanity. Maybe next they can bring back the XJACK. No one wants to address the elephant in the room: it's a crap design for proprietary modules. Sure the design is open, can you use them anywhere else? Nope. You're paying a premium for USB-C dongles that can't be used on any other brand of laptop. Apple is prob…

I understand your disdain for fandom but in this case this isn't a product by framework. This is a 3d part product resulting from framework's basic motivation and associated actions of nurturing a 3rd party ecosystem. I don't like fandom but we can admit framework's theoretical raison d'etre is pretty good

Re: Framework's 10G Ethernet module exposes USB-C's complexity

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Post by znpy »

jfb wrote: post #7
RachelF wrote: post #6

Every PCIe 10G ethernet card I've seen has a heatsink on it, sometimes covering the entire card or even have little fans on the heatsink. Expecting it to work full time in a laptop is a bit of a stretch of the heat dissipation budget. Also, the laptop he is working has the AMD FP8 chipset - depending on how the ports are setup, he might only get 10G USB, if the ports are allocated to video instead.

Yeah, 10Gb ethernet runs hot . I just rewired the house with 10Gb (we have 8Gb FTTP) and it's kind of upsetting how hot my Thunderbolt dock gets.

> it's kind of upsetting how hot my Thunderbolt dock gets.

I have seen the same with just usb-c multi-port dongles for macbooks (the ones they give you at work along with the macbooks).

in fairness to the docs/dongles though, they have an incredible amount of features that would have been science-fiction twenty years ago.

Re: Framework's 10G Ethernet module exposes USB-C's complexity

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Post by koolala »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #73
ChuckMcM wrote: post #57

I chuckled at 10G wired ethernet on a laptop. I mean in a docking station? Sure that seems reasonable. But fun none the less. I appreciate the USB-C nature of the Framework's expansion ports, it does make real the entire reason that USB was created in the first place, hot plug slots. Still, I (and others) pointed out to Intel early on that using Ethernet with a specific packet type would be cheaper and just as fast (…

> I chuckled at 10G wired ethernet on a laptop. I mean in a docking station? Sure that seems reasonable. But fun none the less. What difference does a docking station make? Sometimes you want to spend a minute or two setting up your laptop in a more serious way, and that's just as reasonable with or without a docking station.

Reminds me of routers on the internet.

Re: Framework's 10G Ethernet module exposes USB-C's complexity

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Post by anthonj »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #57

I chuckled at 10G wired ethernet on a laptop. I mean in a docking station? Sure that seems reasonable. But fun none the less. I appreciate the USB-C nature of the Framework's expansion ports, it does make real the entire reason that USB was created in the first place, hot plug slots. Still, I (and others) pointed out to Intel early on that using Ethernet with a specific packet type would be cheaper and just as fast (…

Others comments already mentioned multimedia, but for example where I work we have some development board and prototypes with 10g ethernet, but most developers have a laptop rather than a fixed station. Turns out smallish (but overly expensive) thunderbolt 10g adapters can be used for testing and even reach full thoughput in many cases.
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