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Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by h4kunamata »

Austizzle wrote: post #207
h4kunamata wrote: post #206

I cannot see a single reason why Windows still being used within business: 1. Endless security issues 2. Companies have to spend millions of dollars to make it secure, and fail 3. Everything is SaaS nowadays, you just need a browser and fast internet 4. Linux distros can easily replace Windows, no licensing, no dramas, no subscriptions My guesses is that companies still have Windows because of the support, they can b…

There are plenty of popular games that don't work on Linux, a notable example being Fortnite. One of the most popular games of all time.

>There are plenty of popular games that don't work on Linux

Games that require kernel level spyware installed???

Good luck getting a Linux user to do make such stupid choice. Giving you a company kernel level aka full access to your operating system just to play a game. Yeah mate, normal people won't do that.

Fortnite?? Couldn't give half care about this game.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by oreally »

avree wrote: post #185
osti wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that support modern gaming?

No, it's for IoT. Don't install an IoT Operating System if you are planning to do normal Operating System things.

Wrong. I've been gaming on it with no problems.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by oreally »

detritus wrote: post #69
giancarlostoro wrote: post #41

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Linux is free and less wasteful on resources on the other hand.

Out of interest, what value do you think that a comment like that has, in a forum such as this? You're not likely to be informing people with information they're not already abundantly aware of. Whereas the person you're responding to is adding value, for me at least. I am in what might be an edge-case position where I need to run software specific to Windows and, much more importantly run hardware that uses drivers…

A lot of these no value, didn't ask, pro-linux comments are probably leftovers from linux software maintainer groups and it's passive aggressive culture. And we all know what kind of a role model that person used to be. They've been in that cesspool for too long to recognize how to interact with people.

Condolences on your hardware problem btw. Give the windows 10 iot version a shot - it's a fairly quick install anyway.

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Post by [deleted] »

LtWorf wrote: post #208
hypfer wrote: post #169

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Why? Certainly not unattended, but no AI should ever be unattended. But if you closely guide it, support it with tools like Ghidra and force force force force force a process with many sanity checks and quintuple-checks, it's possible. What previously needed a whole team and months might be one guy, a lot of tokens and 1-3 weeks. Doable, fun, and interesting. __ Judging by the downvotes, I guess people mistook the in…

How do you guide it when you have no idea yourself? You mean you must first reverse engineer it manually and then hint it to the solution? Why would you do that at that point?

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Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by hypfer »

LtWorf wrote: post #208
hypfer wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Certainly not unattended, but no AI should ever be unattended. But if you closely guide it, support it with tools like Ghidra and force force force force force a process with many sanity checks and quintuple-checks, it's possible. What previously needed a whole team and months might be one guy, a lot of tokens and 1-3 weeks. Doable, fun, and interesting. __ Judging by the downvotes, I guess people mistook the in…

How do you guide it when you have no idea yourself? You mean you must first reverse engineer it manually and then hint it to the solution? Why would you do that at that point?

I feel like you might still be perceiving the AI suggestion as some magic box that just does things. It's not. It's a very fast very eager junior.

Why and how do people hand work to juniors?

You have a rough idea where you want to go, you have a rough idea what needs to be done, and then you iterate.

For example, you think "okay, I need some way of validating this" and then you tell it to run the software to generate test data.

While errors may creep in, you should be able to validate that step.

And then you use that test data to validate whatever next steps it should be doing.

It's essentially the same workflow as any mapping out of something new, but with the individual mapping steps being done by a drone. You do still draw the actual map, do logistics and strategize.

It's not easy work, but it's also not difficult work. What it is is laborious, and that's where LLMs help.

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To stick with your database format question:

If the software uses that data, it also needs code to parse and interact (with) it.

This code resides within it, and you can forcefully pull it out.

That step of "write me a spec for this data format based on this code. Build a parser in python and build test cases using this DB file" can be done agentically (when sliced into small logical blocks of work orders).

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Post by kasabali »

jogu wrote: post #205
kasabali wrote: post #196

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What is this 7-paragraph OLED talk about? I can plug an OLED display to a fricking Windows XP system with a Maxwell GPU and it'll work perfectly fine as long as it has a goddamn HDMI port. Has nothing to do with OS support.

I guess you missed the part where they’re talking about HDR? Yes, the monitor will work but if you want to take full advantage of the panels you enable HDR.

No I didn't. I intentionally only wrote just OLED because it doesn't have anything to do with HDR not it requires any special support and it doesn't make any fucking sense why they included it along with HDR.

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Post by LtWorf »

hypfer wrote: post #215
LtWorf wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you guide it when you have no idea yourself? You mean you must first reverse engineer it manually and then hint it to the solution? Why would you do that at that point?

I feel like you might still be perceiving the AI suggestion as some magic box that just does things. It's not. It's a very fast very eager junior. Why and how do people hand work to juniors? You have a rough idea where you want to go, you have a rough idea what needs to be done, and then you iterate. For example, you think "okay, I need some way of validating this" and then you tell it to run the software to generate…

You see how you went from "it's easier to use ai instead of using wine on linux" to "to use ai you must do all this work"

Well then using wine was the correct solution to begin with?

> This code resides within it, and you can forcefully pull it out.

What code? If you had the code you could port it.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by wink »

ericpp wrote: post #70
vunderba wrote: post #3

Anyone who still needs to run Windows 10 for whatever reason should switch over to Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 (version 21H2) which will continue to receive security updates up through 2032. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/rel...

You can continue using normal Windows 10 if you have a Microsoft account attached to it. They give you the option to sign up for free extended updates (until 2027).

In theory.

I did that for someone (after jumping through QUITE some hoops) and apparently the next days some popup made the person click the upgrade button anyway.

So yeah, probably just dark pattern + non-technical user but still.

Re: Windows 10 quietly gets one more year of support and updates

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Post by wink »

h4kunamata wrote: post #206

I cannot see a single reason why Windows still being used within business: 1. Endless security issues 2. Companies have to spend millions of dollars to make it secure, and fail 3. Everything is SaaS nowadays, you just need a browser and fast internet 4. Linux distros can easily replace Windows, no licensing, no dramas, no subscriptions My guesses is that companies still have Windows because of the support, they can b…

Clueless people in the correct position for whom only Windows is THE secure OS.

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Post by noxer »

xeonmc wrote: post #188
noxer wrote: post #111

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There are no update, windows 10 is EOL since months and even before that it did not receive any real updates in a long time. The current version is stable and gets only security updates just like LTSC. There is no point to switch, at best its a waste of time and worst you could run into issues with software that expects home/pro and not LTSC.

> you could run into issues with software that expects home/pro and not LTSC. That's a laughably ignorant statement for how windows app development works. Raymond Chen weeps on reading your comment. Enterprise edition is a strict superset in functionality over Home/Pro, and LTSC just adds longer support. Enterprise IoT just comes with Windows Store components sitting dormantly, which you can promptly activate with `w…

If you would acctually read the comment(s) then you'd understand that SWITCHING has no upside, all your arguments are irrelevant there is no point in wasting time to switch the OS version especially not if you need a full reinstallation. And whether you like it or not there are bad coded software out in the real world that do not work on LTSC they will just error out saying this is not a supported version of windows. To fix this you have to regedit your LTSC installation to pretend to be a normal installation. A hassle no sane person would recommend for absolutely zero benefit.
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