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Re: The last Romans are still around

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Post by dpe82 »

astrobe_ wrote: post #88
dpe82 wrote: post #37

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> *English Common Law* has entered the chat

Still romanian. "The common law—so named because it was common to all the king's courts across England—originated in the practices of the courts of the English kings in the centuries following the Norman Conquest in 1066" [1] France (and Normandy) was conquered by Rome before it was granted to Rollo, a Viking. A few generations later, his descendant William the Conqueror claimed the English crown. Just like what happ…

After 2000 years everything mixes together at least somewhat so trying to draw hard lines is an exercise in pointless semantics, but it's worth acknowledging that as a system, common law is pretty distinct from the Roman tradition of civil law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_(legal_system)

Re: The last Romans are still around

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Post by pjio »

trinix912 wrote: post #86
fhars wrote: post #84

Depending on who's legal fiction you believe, the Roman Empire was only dissolved in 1806 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsdeputationshauptschluss

That’s the German Holy Roman Empire, not the classical Roman Empire.

After refusing to be conquered, the Germanic tribes took it very serious to pretend otherwise.

Re: The last Romans are still around

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Post by prox »

astrobe_ wrote: post #90
dhosek wrote: post #65

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Fun fact: The -gh endings of many English words share a proto–Indo European root with that enclitic¹ -que in Senatus Populusque Romani. I remember being skeptical of this when I first heard it assuming that the person was arguing for a shared Latin heritage until I dug in and discovered that it actually went back to PIE.² ⸻ 1. For the non-linguists here, an enclitic is a suffix added to a word that either functions a…

It seems this -que was already a relic at that time, or maybe sort of literary, because it coexisted with et (as in etc , et cetera , &c ), which still exists e.g. in French. Or maybe one is from antic Latin and the other is from "vulgar"/late Latin ?

I think PolyMathy on YouTube went into this topic, and it is part of Greek.

It was probably this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5CUiP5oiH0

Re: The last Romans are still around

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Post by prox »

tar0m wrote: post #81
scheme271 wrote: post #62

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Or alterntively, that it's a relatively modern addition to add to it's mystique for tourism purposes. When did SPQR get added to the manhole covers and does anything else in Rome use similar signage?

As a Roman, this is a bit painful to read. I will play fair and assume you are not trying to say that the only thing there is to my city is tourist attractions. The answer is no (and you can easily look this up). SPQR has been used continually since the Roman Empire, through the Middle Ages, by the Fascists and into the modern era by the current administration. You will find it everywhere, even far removed from touri…

Since the first word means Senate, does any of the Roman municipal bodies consider them to be a Senate like body?

As a Roman, how do you relate to the far past? I mean you must have grown up with so many reminders of the Roman legacy in day to day affairs.

Re: The last Romans are still around

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Post by z0ltan »

seliopou wrote: post #70
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #30

This is strictly about linguistic similarity and not genetic similarity. On a genetic map, a PCA plot, Romans and Romanians simply don't overlap. Romanians cluster with their Balkan neighbors, (1) on account of massive Slavic migration from around the 7th century AD, and (2) on account of strong historical and genetic evidence to suggest that the Roman colonists sent to Dacia were largely recruited from neighboring B…

Why is genetics more important than any other tie to the Roman empire?

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Re: The last Romans are still around

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Post by frollogaston »

Insanity wrote: post #2

Just wait for Hollywood to create a film about Roman mythology and not cast a single Roman! But less tongue-in-cheek, the other thing is that the legacy of the Romans is pretty much all around us. The Roman Calendar (with July and August both referencing a Roman leader), the Latin alphabet (with the additional letters like 'y' being added later on to support Greek), the roads we can travel, etc.

They're always British in film for some reason

Re: The last Romans are still around

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Post by benj111 »

anon84873628 wrote: post #77
seliopou wrote: post #70

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Why is genetics more important than any other tie to the Roman empire?

Don't know why this was down voted. Most people ruled by the Roman empire weren't ethnic Romans. Even in the early days it started as a mix of Italic tribes like the Latins and Sabines. And in 212 AD the edict of Caracalla granted Roman citizenship to all free men throughout the empire. I imagined this was sort of the whole point of the article.

>Don't know why this was down voted

I have noticed a trend of challenges to unspoken assumptions being down voted.

I don't know if it's being read as being argumentative/low effort.

I agree with you and the parent. How do you define ethnically Roman? Those from the city of Rome? Some average of the empire? What about when it split in 2? Is ethnicity even important? What ethnicity do you have to be, to be USian??? British?

Re: The last Romans are still around

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Post by frollogaston »

anon84873628 wrote: post #77
seliopou wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is genetics more important than any other tie to the Roman empire?

Don't know why this was down voted. Most people ruled by the Roman empire weren't ethnic Romans. Even in the early days it started as a mix of Italic tribes like the Latins and Sabines. And in 212 AD the edict of Caracalla granted Roman citizenship to all free men throughout the empire. I imagined this was sort of the whole point of the article.

Also some rulers of the Roman empire weren't ethnically Roman/Italian, even if you don't count after the capitol was moved to Constantinople, but especially if you do.

Re: The last Romans are still around

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Post by benj111 »

toyg wrote: post #14
Insanity wrote: post #2

Just wait for Hollywood to create a film about Roman mythology and not cast a single Roman! But less tongue-in-cheek, the other thing is that the legacy of the Romans is pretty much all around us. The Roman Calendar (with July and August both referencing a Roman leader), the Latin alphabet (with the additional letters like 'y' being added later on to support Greek), the roads we can travel, etc.

It's not only July and August; January, May, June, and Mars, are named after Roman gods; February and April after Roman rituals; and September to December after Roman numerals (7 to 10th month, as they were when the calendar first started).

>Mars

While not technically incorrect(?) I'm guessing you meant March?

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