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Military branches restore flu shot requirement after virus swept through base

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Re: Military branches restore flu shot requirement after virus swept through base

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does this mean

The vaccine was mandatory, like in pretty much every army base of every half developed country, because not having it mandatory led to infection waves and in the army that's even worse than in genpop. The reasons for not doing the vaccine anymore were, essentially, "the vaccine is more dangerous than the sickness" and "the vaccine is not necessary to avoid the sickness". Both of those statement are, factually, scient…

> because not having it mandatory led to infection waves and in the army that's even worse than in genpop

It also makes a stupidly-obvious tactic viable for the enemy.

Re: Military branches restore flu shot requirement after virus swept through base

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> but flu vaccines are extremely ineffective

Sorry, this is absolutely bullshit. They’re wildly effective in the easiest population to look at - MA Seniors, who are highly incentivized to get them because of their efficacy.

Sometimes, it’s best to stop talking when you know you don’t have any clue what you’re talking about.

Re: Military branches restore flu shot requirement after virus swept through base

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In a sane administration, the complete and total lack of judgement that allowed vaccine mandates to go away should have led to an instant loss of confidence in sec def and anyone in the chain that didn't raise concerns about that decision. Anyone that studies even the slightest amount of military history knows that disease used to kill more people in war than bullets until -very- recently. The fact that potentially t…

There's a double layer of irony here, where the people criticizing people of the ignorance of "unintended" consequences of vaccine fear will play defense for the unintended consequence of causing that fear by the extremely aggressive pushing of vaccine policies during covid

If it was Ebola instead of COVID-19, 1000% guaranteed that all those antivaxxers would have been banging down the doors to get a vaccine, and would have been raging if the government hadn't rushed it out. All their antivax outrage was because they didn't think they personally were going to die from COVID, and didn't want to help save anyone else's life.

2 million dead Americans later and people still complain that they were asked to get a vaccine to try to save lives. or complain about a shutdown which should have lasted a few months max if people had done what they were supposed to and would have saved millions of lives.

Re: Military branches restore flu shot requirement after virus swept through base

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In a sane administration, the complete and total lack of judgement that allowed vaccine mandates to go away should have led to an instant loss of confidence in sec def and anyone in the chain that didn't raise concerns about that decision. Anyone that studies even the slightest amount of military history knows that disease used to kill more people in war than bullets until -very- recently. The fact that potentially t…

There's a double layer of irony here, where the people criticizing people of the ignorance of "unintended" consequences of vaccine fear will play defense for the unintended consequence of causing that fear by the extremely aggressive pushing of vaccine policies during covid

Anyone who “fears” vaccines because the government said they were a good idea (with provable statistics instead of whatever nonsense you read on Facebook) is a fucking doorknob. Full stop.

Some of you need to realize that writing some React pages doesn’t actually make you a polymath.

Re: Military branches restore flu shot requirement after virus swept through base

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a double layer of irony here, where the people criticizing people of the ignorance of "unintended" consequences of vaccine fear will play defense for the unintended consequence of causing that fear by the extremely aggressive pushing of vaccine policies during covid

I dare a grammarian to take the above-sentence and diagram it out. No, I'm not "feigning surprise", I am legitimately struggling to figure out exactly who's being blamed for what.

Some minutes later, and this is my best guess in the form of original with code comments. I got to the end and then backfilled the group names.

    There's a double layer of irony here,        # There is something wrong and hypocritical.
                                                 #
    where the people                             # People who thought vaccines were good
    criticizing people                           # criticized anti-vaxxers,
    of the ignorance                             # saying the anti-vaxxers didn't realize
    of "unintended" consequences                 # the damage they would cause
    of vaccine fear                              # by scaring everyone away from proper treatment.
                                                 #
    will play defense                            # Those people give excuses
    for the unintended consequence               # for the problem they actually created
    of causing that fear                         # by MAKING the anti-vaxxers afraid in the first place
    by the extremely aggressive pushing          # since they tried too hard
    of vaccine policies during covid.            # to get everyone vaccinated to stop the virus.
So, unless I've taken a wrong turn somewhere... *sigh* Helllll no. That's trying to disclaim all responsibility from the group of people who made the mistake.

Compare to: "Well, the car I was driving is wrecked, and it's all your fault! You should have known that I don't like being told what do to, so by telling me to slow down you forced me to accelerate into that barrier to prove that you aren't the boss of me. We could have avoided this whole mess if you'd simply babied my special needs and irrationalities like an adult."

Re: Military branches restore flu shot requirement after virus swept through base

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>"The decisions were based upon thorough risk assessments..." Both decisions? Or just the walkback one?

Not justifying it by any means, but the first one could have been done on a risk assessment of how it would affect recruitment, retention, and morale. There are some worlds in which that could have been the rational choice, especially with knowledge that it would likely get rolled back in time.

Re: Military branches restore flu shot requirement after virus swept through base

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More and more I believe the idea that Rome fell due to lead and pollution, because only stupidity could end an empire that had no rivals.

RFK Jr has elevated mercury; he says due to eating top predator fish. He underwent chelation therapy and still exhibits some of the symptoms in my opinion.

Re: Military branches restore flu shot requirement after virus swept through base

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hot take but we should let reality deal the blow. There's so many things that people think is redundant and unnecessary but actually have an army of people and machination that are working tirelessly to curb it. Only to called bloat and the deep state. Vaccines should not be given automatically, because that causes people to not think about why they need it. They think that it is something is imposed on them. But if…

If millions more people are obese than were obese 50 years ago, clearly something has changed systemically that has made people more sedentary and eating more. People 50 years ago were not paying more conscious attention to their health than people today, but the background environment of available food and sedentary jobs/entertainment were different. The personal responsibility model of obesity works for individuals…

“Freedom works for me but I want to also control millions of other people, for the good of me and their own good since they don’t know any better”
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