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The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by miiiiiike »

krapp wrote: post #20
miiiiiike wrote: post #9

I’m glad this is finally becoming the cause célèbre du jour. This feels like THE FIGHT or at least one of the TOP 3 THE FIGHTS and it hasn’t had even a fraction of the public’s attention until now.

>I’m glad this is finally becoming the cause célèbre du jour. It really isn't, though. Don't mistake the internet for reality. The majority of people in the US and Europe support laws like these, and most of the rest don't care. Even on Hacker News the consensus is mostly in favor of anything from age restriction to making all social media illegal.

> Even on Hacker News the consensus is mostly in favor of anything from age restriction to making all social media illegal.

That doesn't sound right. Put up a poll. I'd put money on 90%+ choosing some flavor privacy/anonymity on the internet.

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Post by HoldOnAMinute »

Assuming no revolutionary changes are coming to the USA, I am planning to opt out of the digital world when I retire. Physical media only. No subscriptions. Spend lots of time in the library. Find like-minded people and meet in person. Will only keep the bare minimum for survival, like banking.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by HoldOnAMinute »

OnionBlender wrote: post #8
gchamonlive wrote: post #2

Who'd have guessed hitting the library would become an act of rebellious defiance

How is hitting the library an act of rebellious defiance? Getting a library card requires an ID and proof of address. The library then tracks which books you've signed out. Unless you're reading the books inside the library without signing them out.

Start your own library.

Write your own books.

Make your own music.

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Post by kelseyfrog »

999900000999 wrote: post #33
kulahan wrote: post #25

I can’t think of a better solution to the issue of children being so aggressively harmed by the internet. That doesn’t remove any of the problems associated with this.

Parents taking responsibility for their kids. I grew up in a neighborhood full of drug dealers. Street sellers, not the classy Walter White kind. Ironically being on a computer all day kept me out of trouble. But with these laws in place I guess you might as well start doing stupid ish in real life.

So what happens when parents don't?

Too bad?

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by HoldOnAMinute »

dools wrote: post #32

How is it any different from being required to identify yourself to get a phone or electricity account? Identifying yourself on the internet is long overdue.

Thought experiment: How do you get a phone or electricity in the most impoverished, backwards parts of the USA?

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Post by bluefirebrand »

andy99 wrote: post #28
j2kun wrote: post #21

There are at least some technological solutions here, such as anonymous credentials. [1] Modern versions of this technique allow one to associate metadata (like a proof of age exceeding a threshold) in such a way that the verifier can't even correlate repeated requests across users. Governments that are serious about age verification and individual privacy (which, doubtful they truly are) should agree on a protocol a…

This seems to come up in every discussion, in practice it’s irrelevant both because it’s too complicated for normal people to understand, and because the point of all this nonsense really is identification so anything that defeats that will be a non starter.

It doesn't have to be too complicated for normal people to understand.

Majority of people understand their SIN or SSN number or whatever, they understand they have a drivers license number. This could be built in such a way that it's basically just be another government issued "thing" that they have to know about and be able to produce when requested

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by HoldOnAMinute »

Gigachad wrote: post #36
kulahan wrote: post #25

I can’t think of a better solution to the issue of children being so aggressively harmed by the internet. That doesn’t remove any of the problems associated with this.

It’s not just kids. Adults are having their brains fried on AI generated political videos online right now. The state of the internet is an absolute disaster.

An enormous portion of the world is effectively addicted to a drug.

Solution: Maximize the distance between yourself and the people

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by g023 »

Anything to close Pandora's box. "They" liked the eras they could control the communications, and therefore the narrative. Boomers on their last legs, question is, will the future undo the unjustness that was forced upon them? Restore the rungs of the ladders that were removed, so they could have a chance too? Or are they going to stay in the fear narrative, and make this tragedy worse?
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