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Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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As far as I can see on Wikipedia page or homepage for Stellantis, they do not make cars under their own name. So, which brand did you rent actually?

Jeep Wagoneer, I just remember the Stellantis logo on the infotainment boot screen. I thought it was a Stellantis Wagoneer because the Jeep logo was almost completely absent, at least in memory.

Thank you. If you don't mind me asking - which part of driving experience made you think "never again"?

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Im not calling for any action, but that kid doing something about Healthcare CEO - that did help.

How did it help?

It did send a message. If the message was sent on a daily basis this world would look completely different.

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"Ford rehires 350 engineers after AI fails to preserve expertise or train juniors" In order to rehire someone they must laid off or fired? You don't rehire new employees?

Farther down it clarifies that only some of them were former employees, and others were poached from other companies: >Over the last three years, Ford says it has hired 350 veteran engineers, many of them former employees and others from suppliers And not all former employees were laid off. Senior 'greybeards' have many job opportunities elsewhere and often leave for better offers.

> many of them former employees

> And not all former employees were laid off.

Thanks for confirming that the article does say that Ford did, indeed, fire and rehire some employees.

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Farther down it clarifies that only some of them were former employees, and others were poached from other companies: >Over the last three years, Ford says it has hired 350 veteran engineers, many of them former employees and others from suppliers And not all former employees were laid off. Senior 'greybeards' have many job opportunities elsewhere and often leave for better offers.

> many of them former employees > And not all former employees were laid off. Thanks for confirming that the article does say that Ford did, indeed, fire and rehire some employees.

The article does not say that any of the former employees had been fired.

You just want to believe in the narrative that companies who lay people off for AI will regret it. Narratives are dumb.

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If its not symmetric then you bias towards status quo which is a really bad way to act as a CEO. > There’s no reason we couldn’t decide that we want to err on the side of employing too many people. Yeah that's not how a company should run.

> If its not symmetric then you bias towards status quo which is a really bad way to act as a CEO. That doesn’t follow. It could just as easily bias a CEO towards over hiring, or finding ways to retrain existing employees, or any one of a million things that’s not the status quo. It’s also possible that there currently exists pressure to push CEOs to lay off too many people and a little pressure in the opposite direc…

> Many people think that the one of the primary purposes of a company is to provide employment

This is not good for society.

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> many of them former employees > And not all former employees were laid off. Thanks for confirming that the article does say that Ford did, indeed, fire and rehire some employees.

The article does not say that any of the former employees had been fired. You just want to believe in the narrative that companies who lay people off for AI will regret it. Narratives are dumb.

I genuinely don't care about any of this.

I'm just reading what's written:

> And not all former employees were laid off.

To me, this is very clearly saying that SOME were former employees that were laid off, just not ALL were.

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Maybe they could use a distillation process. Have the AI prompt the senior engineers repeatedly (don't do this). Like squeezing the oil from olives!

I think that this is doable. Similar to having a new employee shadow a more experienced one and observe, you could implement a sort of program where AI shadows experienced employees and asks questions when they do something it doesn't understand. But this is difficult to implement since AI doesn't have a body to follow someone around and it would take immense amounts of compute to do so using telemetry and cameras. Y…

> You would literally be spying on employees 24x7 for weeks at a time with the express goal of replacing them someday.

Isn't this almost exactly what Zuck is trying to do at Meta?

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulat...

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For those of us who lived through the "Offshoring" Craze of the mid-2000s, this has the exact same arc. Corp CEOs / CFOs golf buddies coouldn't stop yapping about how much they saved paying people less by offshoring. So step 1, they fire a bunch of people and send work overseas, driving up their financial metrics for 5-6 quarters until their staff and their organization finally break at stage 2. Turns out cultural an…

Funny thing is, for all the commenters agreeing that this type of leadership is broken, most of the folks here and everywhere end up always doing the same things once they find themselves in similar positions of power / decision making.

Yep, because the status quo is hard to change and most people get measured, & thus, incentivized, by medium term metrics (at best). especially when investors are involved.

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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post #301

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Jeep Wagoneer, I just remember the Stellantis logo on the infotainment boot screen. I thought it was a Stellantis Wagoneer because the Jeep logo was almost completely absent, at least in memory.

Thank you. If you don't mind me asking - which part of driving experience made you think "never again"?

Okay so this was actually about a year or two ago, but I remember the infotainment system glitched out a lot for no discernible reason, which prevented me from accessing a lot of the controls, and I had some difficulty with the hardware controls which just felt poorly thought out from a UX standpoint.

Some of the things an owner would obviously get used to, but it felt like you were constantly struggling with it to do simple things that you don't even really notice doing in most vehicles.

The infotainment system was constantly having trouble, like freezing up or just shutting down for no apparent reason and not turning back on. I remember a lot of issues with the backup camera. Not unique for a modern car, but this one had more than its fair share of glitches. I think I had to reset it twice. It also developed an issue (sorry can't recall what it was exactly) that persisted for a day or two which spontaneously resolved itself while I was driving back to the dealership.

I want to say it had hardware AC controls (which is good), but I think I had it for three days and only figured out how to adjust it the way I wanted it on day three. I don't recall if I didn't understand that something was a button, or if a button actually had several different "modes" which weren't readily apparent, like being a combo rocker/push button. Normally these sorts of things are obvious from how the dash is deaigned, but my wife and I took three days to puzzle it out.

There were some other minor problems, but altogether it felt poorly thought out and kind of low quality, which clashed with some of the "luxury" accents my model was equipped with, like wood paneling and the lights which spelled out "WAGONEER" on the ground at night when you opened the door, which felt gimmicky. That money would have been better spent on refining the UX.

I actually don't think it was a bad drive, if you were just driving. I was just constantly frustrated trying to do anything else with it.

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post #278

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I think that this is doable. Similar to having a new employee shadow a more experienced one and observe, you could implement a sort of program where AI shadows experienced employees and asks questions when they do something it doesn't understand. But this is difficult to implement since AI doesn't have a body to follow someone around and it would take immense amounts of compute to do so using telemetry and cameras. Y…

> You would literally be spying on employees 24x7 for weeks at a time with the express goal of replacing them someday. Isn't this almost exactly what Zuck is trying to do at Meta? https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulat...

If so, that's pretty on-brand.
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