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An entire Herculaneum scroll has been read for the first time

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Re: An entire Herculaneum scroll has been read for the first time

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I am on the vesuvius challenge team that did the segmentation, unwrapping, and ink detection, so feel free to ask any questions.

Absolutely incredible work. This is one of the most amazing news articles I’ve encountered in decades. Congratulations team!

Re: An entire Herculaneum scroll has been read for the first time

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When I read translations like these, I always wonder if the tone is translated. Did the writer mean to convey a very formal “to the utmost”, or was it a more casual “to the max”. How much of the translators bias makes these seem like academic papers instead of social media posts.

After sticking it into CharGPT I can tell you it's neither. The word upmost is coming from is a form of the compound verb ἐκπονέω. * ἐκ- = “out,” “thoroughly,” “to the end” * πονέω = “to labor,” “to toil,” “to work hard”

I trust a lifelong dedicated Ancient Greek Papyrologist to do a better job here than ChatGPT.

Re: An entire Herculaneum scroll has been read for the first time

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Only about 20% of the Herculaneum site has been excavated, so there is high probability that more scrolls exist. The current scrolls were not part of the main library, but more of a private collection at the time.

So imagine how cool it would be to find a full library with thousand of scrolls across many different topics, that can now be read with this technology.

Re: An entire Herculaneum scroll has been read for the first time

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not all machine learning is generative AI.

True but like regular document scanning software there can be errors in detection.

Just as with redacted documents (consistently blocked terms) or bad OCR jobs (wrong or missing characters), even if only a certain percentage comes out unmangled it is more readable than having no data at all.

A stable base corpus and some dynamic programming will allow you to clean up the remainder[0].

[0]: http://stackoverflow.com/a/11642687/2449774

Re: An entire Herculaneum scroll has been read for the first time

#78

When I read translations like these, I always wonder if the tone is translated. Did the writer mean to convey a very formal “to the utmost”, or was it a more casual “to the max”. How much of the translators bias makes these seem like academic papers instead of social media posts.

Sometimes there is very little to go on, but we really do have a lot to work with from the late republic and early roman empire. Latin is also a very rich language and this is no snippet. Translation is always hard, especially from a couple thousand years ago BUT this kind of translation comes with a lot of confidence.

It’s in Greek, though. Of course same points apply

Re: An entire Herculaneum scroll has been read for the first time

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I'm really hoping that the library contains some lost older Greek works. But its going to be awesome what ever we find.

I'm hoping for a complete(ish) Heraclitus. Also Eratosthenes, whose methods have been described but we don't have the original work where we calculated the circumference of the Earth. Also Hipparchus and Thales.

Also, Aristarchus.
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