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Apple raises prices of MacBooks, iPads

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Post by quentindanjou »

suddenexample wrote: post #487
balls187 wrote: post #478

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Not OpenAI’s fault that the cost of a shipping container doubled. I collect fountain pens which have nothing to do with the data center market and the big 3 Japanese makers announced pretty substantial price hikes.

I mean, sure shipping is more expensive but that’s definitely not the cause of Apple’s price increases.

The cause is the whole thing, cost of shipping (container, gas, etc), cost of components (RAM, SSD, etc), cost of tariff, cost of lobbying and lawsuits, and overall inflation cost.

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Post by AlexandrB »

baron816 wrote: post #333
mysterydip wrote: post #304

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The computing power available today is such a double-edged sword. We can do so much more so much faster, but then we (including myself in this) waste so many cycles on abstractions and frameworks and layers of libraries to make our development jobs easier.

The tradeoff isn’t dev job easy vs better performance. The abstractions allow devs to build faster or work on things users care about instead of unobservably better performance.

> work on things users care about

Apparently what users care about is having more whitespace around everything.

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Post by normie3000 »

drnick1 wrote: post #430
SoftTalker wrote: post #287

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I'm still using ~10 year old PCs at both work and home. Running linux, still doing fine.

I recently liberated a couple of old Intel Mac laptops by installing Linux. These machines were not receiving system updates anymore. Even on the older machine with a dual core CPU and 4GB of RAM, GNOME runs well (XFCE would probably be a better choice to save RAM for programs, though). On the newer T2 machine with 8GB of RAM, GNOME feels basically as snappy as on my modern gaming PC.

Try Google Meet. I have a similar spec Air, and that's where it falls down :'-(

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Post by mbreese »

AlexandrB wrote: post #499
j1elo wrote: post #413

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If the absurd memory prices might have some positive outcome, it will be consumers demanding that all their basic pack of apps are able to run on 16 and even 8 GB of RAM, by means of avoiding those that hog their machines. And consequently (hopefully), developers and their managers being incentivized by market forces to have a modicum of care for performance and not wasting bytes. Dreaming is free... All Electron dev…

This is very optimistic. I see a future where high hardware prices push more and more stuff to the cloud and consumer hardware becomes largely a thin client. Soon doing anything with a computer will require an internet connection because the "local" portion of software will be an electron UI that makes API calls to a server somewhere to do any "serious" work.

Don’t worry - the cycle will reverse again at some point and we’ll go back to more powerful local machines.

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Post by skydhash »

throw0101d wrote: post #421
jacobgold wrote: post #274

Some unc perspective: I paid ~$6,000 in inflation-adjusted dollars for a computer in 1996. Today, I can get the same power in a $6 single board computer. A powerful modern mini PC starts at ~$600. However painful these price hikes are, and they are painful, it is worth remembering that computing has become incredibly ubiquitous and cheap.

See perhaps this 1991 Radio Shack ad (from a 2014 article): There are 15 electronic gimzo type items on this page, being sold from America’s Technology Store. 13 of the 15 you now always have in your pocket. So here’s the list of what I’ve replaced with my iPhone. * All weather personal stereo, [**US**]$11.88. I now use my iPhone with an Otter Box. * AM/FM clock radio, $13.88. iPhone. * In-Ear Stereo Phones, $7.88. C…

Replaced yes, but with generally something worse. Enough to get by, just like a swiss knife is enough, but a ful toolbox would be way better. And with the advancement of technology, a current version would be way more palatable.

I have a digital audio player and it’s the size of a matchbox, with removable storage (now with a 512GB catd), and turn on under 10 seconds. And that tape recorder could be replaced with a very small device too. And I still have my casio calculator from college and that’s what I use if I need to if I need to do a series of computations.

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Post by paxys »

khriss wrote: post #224

I thought Apple usually locked in contracts with TSMC and Samsung for years in the future? They should be best positioned to weather this storm. If they are getting buffeted enough to raise prices by this much, things are going to be dire for smaller manufacturers. Or, this could just be a convenient excuse to get even more margin.

It’s not a storm anymore but the new normal. People waiting for prices to come down are going to be very disappointed.

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Post by stouset »

ksec wrote: post #330
erxam wrote: post #10

Just yesterday I saw people saying that Apple wouldn't increase prices until the next refresh. And I agreed! So… holy shit. I think we're going to see even further price increases across the industry. There already were a ton, but it can always get worse, of course. Thank you, OpenAI. What would have we done without your attempts at monopolizing destroying the memory market.

And I said MacBook Neo was wrongly priced since the beginning. I don't even remember how many sticks I got from it. >Just yesterday I saw people saying that Apple wouldn't increase prices until the next refresh. That was from Gruber, a person who claimed USB-C was invented by Apple, AirPod was sold at a loss. Generally speaking understanding of Margins, Supply Chain, Manufacturing and Hardware Business manufacturing…

> And I said MacBook Neo was wrongly priced since the beginning

Given that the price change is broadly in line with the rest of the lineup, were all of those products mispriced since the beginning too? Or is it possible you’re simply cherry picking the one thing you want to be right about while ignoring the broader context of memory prices going up?

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Post by RankingMember »

bartvk wrote: post #498
SoftTalker wrote: post #287

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I'm still using ~10 year old PCs at both work and home. Running linux, still doing fine.

Do you use Discord? How much time does it take to start it?

Oh boy, that app. I only use it once in a while, and it's slower and more enshittified every time. The last time I opened it, there was now a Verizon ad in the bottom left-hand corner asking me to watch a 30 second video to "win 200 Orbs!", whatever the hell that means.

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Post by amlib »

dominicrose wrote: post #368
SoftTalker wrote: post #287

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I'm still using ~10 year old PCs at both work and home. Running linux, still doing fine.

Compared to current computers, the ones from 10 years ago are not that different, especially with all the software updates, unless you want an edgy graphics card or Apple processor. In terms of durability I guess the battery is the less durable part but the rest should be fine if handled with care

And with modern streaming software like Sunshine/Moonlight you can easily defer high performance tasks to a powerful machine at home. You are truly free to use any device from the last 15 years as a somewhat dumb terminal if you invest some time setting those things up... or even easier if you just need ssh.
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