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Re: Tell HN: OpenAI has started putting ads on paid programs

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Post by 21asdffdsa12 »

aesthesia wrote: post #27
21asdffdsa12 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you go golden platinum extra special customer - to become even more addless for now. I find it hilarious that they insert the adds that manual though. It would be so easy, to generate subconcious addds with an LLM. Like weave a slogan reminder into the conversation...

I'm not sure it would be so easy to do it in a consistent, verifiable way. You can certainly prompt the LLM to work the ad into the conversation, but making sure it actually happens and is done in a way that the advertiser is going to be happy with is a lot harder.

Me, im not myself when hungry, but you do you ..

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI has started putting ads on paid programs

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Post by 21asdffdsa12 »

jstummbillig wrote: post #22
21asdffdsa12 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you go golden platinum extra special customer - to become even more addless for now. I find it hilarious that they insert the adds that manual though. It would be so easy, to generate subconcious addds with an LLM. Like weave a slogan reminder into the conversation...

When ethics become hilarious.

Important is to have a illusion of choice, a play-thing of liberty. A painted on door. Buttons for settings that do nothing. Freedom is the illusion of choice.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI has started putting ads on paid programs

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Post by senordevnyc »

21asdffdsa12 wrote: post #32
jstummbillig wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When ethics become hilarious.

Important is to have a illusion of choice, a play-thing of liberty. A painted on door. Buttons for settings that do nothing. Freedom is the illusion of choice.

So edgy.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI has started putting ads on paid programs

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Post by zb3 »

khurs wrote: post #5

Open AI attended the annual Cannes Ad Festival this year, alongside the usual Google, Meta etc They have 900m users and 50m of them are paying. Ads are inevitable. Surprised they put them on a paid plan user like you, but they are IPO'ing this year and need to show the best numbers possible.

That's some interesting economy there.. 850m users are not paying, so we'll fund the product by displaying advertisements to those users that do not pay.

The advertisers spend money on those ads, but they know the audience doesn't want to pay.. but fortunately, their products might be free too, because they can also be funded by ads (served to the same audience).

This intelligent design provides infinite money and infinite growth!

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI has started putting ads on paid programs

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Post by Cider9986 »

21asdffdsa12 wrote: post #18
kylemaxwell wrote: post #16

You were on a plan that explicitly includes ads; if you don't want to see them (I don't either), then you can either upgrade to the no-ad tier or, as you did, cancel. Neither choice is wrong, but OpenAI definitely has been open about that lowest-tier paid plan having ads.

Or you go golden platinum extra special customer - to become even more addless for now. I find it hilarious that they insert the adds that manual though. It would be so easy, to generate subconcious addds with an LLM. Like weave a slogan reminder into the conversation...

There's a black mirror episode like this. Not quite as bad having an AI doing it, though.

A woman needs this treatment after a brain injury. Iirc it clones her brain onto their servers. It's super experimental, it's a free surgery with a subscription service where you need to be within the supported area like cell towers.

If she stops paying for the service she will die. They promised to expand the support area to more countries and areas, but they end up raising prices as well as adding in advertising.

The advertising takes over her body at random contextual times and she basically does an ad read to the people in whatever situation.

It starts happening at the school where she works, she tells a kid about a certain product after he asks her about a problem. She's gonna lose her job because it creeps everyone out, so she has to pay more to get rid of the advertising.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_People_(Black_Mirror)

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI has started putting ads on paid programs

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Post by everforward »

21asdffdsa12 wrote: post #18
kylemaxwell wrote: post #16

You were on a plan that explicitly includes ads; if you don't want to see them (I don't either), then you can either upgrade to the no-ad tier or, as you did, cancel. Neither choice is wrong, but OpenAI definitely has been open about that lowest-tier paid plan having ads.

Or you go golden platinum extra special customer - to become even more addless for now. I find it hilarious that they insert the adds that manual though. It would be so easy, to generate subconcious addds with an LLM. Like weave a slogan reminder into the conversation...

> It would be so easy, to generate subconcious addds with an LLM. Like weave a slogan reminder into the conversation...

Probably not without changing the underlying response and tanking the benchmark ratings. Like I ask it to generate code, it tries to add a slogan reminder, now the comments on my code have Tide's slogan in them and the variables are all named "bleach".

Probably less humorous than that, but the underlying point stands. People will be extremely upset about their prompts being tinkered with, and any perceived degradation in quality will be quickly attributed to them. The hidden nature of them will probably cause speculation that they do the same on the higher tier plans.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI has started putting ads on paid programs

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Post by avgDev »

everforward wrote: post #36
21asdffdsa12 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you go golden platinum extra special customer - to become even more addless for now. I find it hilarious that they insert the adds that manual though. It would be so easy, to generate subconcious addds with an LLM. Like weave a slogan reminder into the conversation...

> It would be so easy, to generate subconcious addds with an LLM. Like weave a slogan reminder into the conversation... Probably not without changing the underlying response and tanking the benchmark ratings. Like I ask it to generate code, it tries to add a slogan reminder, now the comments on my code have Tide's slogan in them and the variables are all named "bleach". Probably less humorous than that, but the under…

I think the ads would be more targeted. You ask it about code, and it suggests a paid library or an app that you can pay for.

It is quite interesting problem, because you could just respond with ok I want you to write whatever that library does. I don't want to pay for this.

If my business was a large CRUD app, like CRM I would be worried about smaller apps popping up on the market.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI has started putting ads on paid programs

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Post by drcongo »

21asdffdsa12 wrote: post #18
kylemaxwell wrote: post #16

You were on a plan that explicitly includes ads; if you don't want to see them (I don't either), then you can either upgrade to the no-ad tier or, as you did, cancel. Neither choice is wrong, but OpenAI definitely has been open about that lowest-tier paid plan having ads.

Or you go golden platinum extra special customer - to become even more addless for now. I find it hilarious that they insert the adds that manual though. It would be so easy, to generate subconcious addds with an LLM. Like weave a slogan reminder into the conversation...

Now I'm wondering if all those extra Ds in ads are a subconscious ad.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI has started putting ads on paid programs

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Post by 6stringmerc »

What are these “adds” you are seeing? Are they “ads” as in the contraction slang form of “advertisements” akin to the British “adverts” or are you making a meta commentary on the “addition” of content to you Clanker experience?

I’m not genuinely confused tbh. I’m more nothing this as a case study of the “LLM user profile” anecdata I’m collecting. Some may call it lowbrow to harp on failing basic literacy yet being compelled to pay real money for a chatbox to help with mental efforts, but here we are.

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