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Why Does Everyone Hate AI?

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Re: Why Does Everyone Hate AI?

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Post by verdverm »

queenkjuul wrote: post #84
verdverm wrote: post #79

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The same Pew poll had some interesting data points Krugman left out - The first data point Pew presents is ~50% of Americans use Ai chat bots - The second data point shows 25% of those using it is for fun and entertainment (1:8 overall) - 1/4 of Americans use it daily Krugman lost me when he said "Ai is dishonest" as if it has intent. He makes too much rage bait these days.

"regularly gives you a completely bogus answer while loudly and confidently asserting it's true" might be behavior that convinces you a person is dishonest. Is it really that bad of a description if AI does the same?

yes, because it humanizes software

https://susam.net/inverse-laws-of-robotics.html

Ai is highly non-deterministic by design, it's a core feature that gives it the capabilities and drawbacks. Don't expect it to be accurate, stay HIL my friends

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Post by jplusequalt »

jerkstate wrote: post #78
danlugo92 wrote: post #38

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We must be using different AI. Ever since Claude Opus 4.7 it's been helping me greatly ship around 3x to 5x faster, and it's good code if I tell it to follow my existing code's structures. Otherwise you have to create .md guideline files and it works. It's not perfect, but again, 3x to 5x (!!!)

It’s time for people who understand how to use AI to stop trying to convince people who don’t. Let them churn their own butter, weave their own clothes, and type out their programs one character at a time. It’s what they want.

>It’s time for people who understand how to use AI to stop trying to convince people who don’t.

This reeks of self flattery. Using AI isn't "hard". Any experienced developer can simply pull in a skill into your harness and have it writing code at a similar level to others with the same harness.

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Post by blourvim »

aeve890 wrote: post #55
danlugo92 wrote: post #38

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We must be using different AI. Ever since Claude Opus 4.7 it's been helping me greatly ship around 3x to 5x faster, and it's good code if I tell it to follow my existing code's structures. Otherwise you have to create .md guideline files and it works. It's not perfect, but again, 3x to 5x (!!!)

> ship around 3x to 5x faster Web apps and CRUDs, if may I ask? Or is AI helping you with something that you couldn't ever do by yourself? I have mixed results across different technologies like frontend, backend, infra and hardware.

I am a backend dev, and building a mobile app for the first time, It is a toy sized project right now and it works, would have indeed taken me 5x the time to get to that point on my own.

I know from experience that to make it a non-toy project I am probably going to need to spend some, if not most of that saved time cleaning up in the future due to technical debt.

For backend, it is mildly useful at best, helpful with boilerplate and when I know exactly what needs to be built. I have not yet firsthand experienced these 10x, 100x productivity gains.

Frontend, forms,tables and generic dashboards is pretty good, I am sure one could get it done faster and better over the long term with proper technique and methods, but I just hate css

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Post by hannasanarion »

parasubvert wrote: post #88
everyone wrote: post #14

The monied are all dogpiling money, water, electricity, pc hardware into it in their classic stupid tulipomania way (Just like with NFTs and Crypto before) The management class in corporations are obsessed with it, they are delusional and think they can finally use it achieve their dreams of having no workers. They are forcing their workers to use it somehow. The are also foisting it unasked onto consumers in their p…

Except this isn't like tulips or NFTs or Crypto; AI is actually useful (far beyond being a chatbot), and has real supply & demand, vs. a being pure speculative investment. Yes, there's too much hype, and forcing the use of it does no one any good. And for sure a lot of that demand detached from results, and this means the demand will ebb. But I don't think this is like the dot-com bubble, it's more like the OPEC oil…

Why is it not like the dot-com bubble? The dot-com bubble is the most direct analogue. It is a genuinely useful technology that people are genuinely willing to pay lots of money for.

Crypto and NFTs were *speculative* bubbles, the assets had no inherent value whatsoever, people bought exclusively because they hoped to sell to a bigger fool later on.

Dot-com and AI are *tech* bubbles. The new technology is transforming a lot and growing fast and people are buying in in incredible numbers. But every technological adoption is an S curve, with an exponential phase followed by a logarithmic phase where it asymptotically levels off.

The tech bubble forms during the exponential phase. As long as we are in the exponential phase, it is mathematically impossible to guess where the ceiling will be based on the trend alone, so any bet is justifiable. The crash comes when adoption inflects and growth slows and we all learn where the curve will level off. The losers in the bubble are the people who made bets on the ceiling being higher than where it actually lands, and people who made more conservative bets come out basically untouched.

The outcome is dark fiber, or like we'll probably have in a few years, dark data centers. Infrastructure built by bankrupt firms who made big bets to get ready to service demand that is never going to come. But that infrastructure can be repurposed (the glut of bandwidth left by the Dark Fiber networks of 2001 basically enabled skype and voip).

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Post by dude250711 »

queenkjuul wrote: post #86
dude250711 wrote: post #15

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Things I had never asked for in a phone: 1) Increasingly more sophisticated cameras. 2) Fake slimness with protruding lenses. 3) Removing headphone jack. 4) Adding AI.

I'm quite chuffed to have a sophisticated camera. The rest? Agreed

Well, then you will absolutely love the AI-enhanced photos!

Re: Why Does Everyone Hate AI?

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Post by bdcravens »

In addition to the many reasons already mentioned are the community and environmental impacts: citizens in competition for electricity and water as new data centers are built, and the feeling that governments are putting those citizens second.

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Post by acedia000 »

api wrote: post #52

The hard-core heavy-duty hate is all economic. People are angry about economic issues like low wages and unaffordable real estate but we've been beaten into learned helplessness on those things. Nothing can be done. Both parties are bad. The right promotes corrupt oligarchy and regressively transfers wealth upward, the left prevents new home construction (driving real estate costs) and regulates away everything but s…

Yes, I strongly agree with these points, but particularly the second half. "Real art" is not at all under threat by AI, which has effectively no ability to even touch, let alone dilute the supposed magnitude and breadth of the human spirit in expression. The existence/proliferation of AI is not going to infringe upon the abilities or opportunities of a bus driver who comes home every day after work to work covertly on an entire house full of sprawling, elaborate tinfoil miniatures which aren't discovered until after his death.

The inconvenient reality of most "creative" work that AI has excelled at supplanting is that it already is, and has been, exactly what people accuse AI to be doing to the form: pure commercial churn, meant solely to occupy temporary space, occasionally brilliant, mostly by accident, but nearly always produced lazily, insincerely, and without pride by people who are not paid enough to care and would rather be working on anything else. AI accelerates human mediocrity not because it is inherently mediocre by nature but because most people, and the things they produce, are. And I very squarely place the bulk of all my own creative efforts and accomplishments within that category too.

Re: Why Does Everyone Hate AI?

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Post by jplusequalt »

headcanon wrote: post #33
voidUpdate wrote: post #3

Given the amount of people on HN happily using LLMs for their everyday work and extolling the virtues of LLMs, "everyone" might be a bit excessive

I think AI optimism is an easier jump for those already immersed in computer culture, or at least the subset of that culture who view automation as a virtue. For those either outside computer culture, or those within who might view "craft" as virtue, automating that craft is an affront. Right now, the "automators" (pro-AI) folks seem to be pushing that culture onto the "crafters" and naturally getting pushback.

>Right now, the "automators" (pro-AI) folks seem to be pushing that culture onto the "crafters" and naturally getting pushback.

I've said this before, but generative AI proponents are walking into creative spaces with their slop and expecting to be treated as equals despite not sharing any of the same experiences or values; effectively they're trying to redefine what craft is for the original group.

Obviously this is unpopular.

Re: Why Does Everyone Hate AI?

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Post by taormina »

pjc50 wrote: post #67
taormina wrote: post #64

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You haven’t seen Apple’s stock price today huh?

I don't follow these things on a daily basis. 5% down. What was the other event on ~9th June?

They announced their price increases on all their products today, which is responsible for their red day today.
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