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45°C cooling design cuts data center water use to near zero

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Post by altmanaltman »

crunchiepooker wrote: post #286
FridgeSeal wrote: post #228

> In the right geography — somewhere with reliably cool outdoor air Aaahh, there’s the catch. “Save resources on cooling by building your data centre somewhere cold, and pollute the surrounding environment by dumping your waste heat wholesale into that!” Good job Nvidia, I almost thought we had something good there.

I’d love that heat in the winter. Imagine, free heat! Linus heats his pool with excess cpu heat. It’s all about using things wisely and not panicking. AI and datacenters are here to stay, you can’t fight them, but you can leverage their waste for profit.

"Everyone will be living in the metaverse by 2025, you can't fight it so might as well buy virtual property near Snoop Dogg"

It takes one recesssion and all datacenter spending will get rolled back. Yes technology will not go away, AI has been here for over many decades that doesn't mean the current paradigm will continue always and exactly the same forever into the future. If history shows us anything its that paradigms change

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Post by geokon »

alt227 wrote: post #230
indigo945 wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Cray supercomputer were fluid cooled back in the 1980's, the entire > board had an inert liquid flowing across it. You can still do this with any computer, by the way: just submerge the entire board in motor oil. Slightly smelly and might make a mess, but absolutely workable.

Mineral oil is the usual substance used, as its clear and non smelling.

Are pretty much all surface mounted components fine with this?

I wanted to waterproof a micro devboard by submerging it in mineral oil. I was worried the board may delaminate or components would turn to goop

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Post by greenpizza13 »

abc123abc123 wrote: post #292
joxdosba wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you stopped for a second to consider the utter mathematical absurdity of what you’re suggesting here? It is impossible for a datacenter to meaningfully heat more than the air in its immediate vicinity.

Silence! Do not let fact and reason stop the woke or anti-AI agenda! Only emotions count in this space!

Woke != anti-ai. Separate ideas. I’m pro AI and would be considered woke, which I would not use pejoratively.

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Post by agentultra »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #228

> In the right geography — somewhere with reliably cool outdoor air Aaahh, there’s the catch. “Save resources on cooling by building your data centre somewhere cold, and pollute the surrounding environment by dumping your waste heat wholesale into that!” Good job Nvidia, I almost thought we had something good there.

You can’t beat thermodynamics no matter how hard you try.

This shouldn’t be a surprised to the majority of people.

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Post by mrhottakes »

crunchiepooker wrote: post #286
FridgeSeal wrote: post #228

> In the right geography — somewhere with reliably cool outdoor air Aaahh, there’s the catch. “Save resources on cooling by building your data centre somewhere cold, and pollute the surrounding environment by dumping your waste heat wholesale into that!” Good job Nvidia, I almost thought we had something good there.

I’d love that heat in the winter. Imagine, free heat! Linus heats his pool with excess cpu heat. It’s all about using things wisely and not panicking. AI and datacenters are here to stay, you can’t fight them, but you can leverage their waste for profit.

> AI and datacenters are here to stay, you can’t fight them,

Maybe you can't (or don't want to), but people can absolutely fight data center construction. Your lack of imagination doesn't bind others.

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Post by coldtea »

dirasieb wrote: post #313
coldtea wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a citation be needed?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)

The burden on proof should be on "dumping hot water to a river doesn't damage its ecosystem" rather than the opposite...

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Post by croes »

coldtea wrote: post #317
dirasieb wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)

The burden on proof should be on "dumping hot water to a river doesn't damage its ecosystem" rather than the opposite...

That’s not what they are doing

> capture heat directly at the source and transport it to outdoor dry coolers, essentially large radiator coils positioned outside the building.

The heat goes into the air

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Post by croes »

freedomben wrote: post #302
coldtea wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a citation be needed?

Unless I'm misunderstanding, TFA is talking about a closed loop system and uses a coolant mix, so yeah I think a citation is needed.

I guess parent means the heat has to somewhere, closed system or not.

Some nuclear power plants use rivers and lakes, that’s bad for their ecosystems if it’s too much but this system uses dry coolers so the extra heat should be negligible

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Post by Saline9515 »

expedition32 wrote: post #304
coldtea wrote: post #297

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> AI and datacenters are here to stay, you can’t fight them Sounds more like a threat than something desired

They were banned in my country through a democratic process. Ofcourse it is easier when they are all owned by foreign companies lol. If they actually made money and provided jobs (lmao) it might be different.

Which country? Did they also ban AI use to be coherent?
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