I signed up to a z.ai max account, $144. Hardly been able to use it as it 429s on most requests. They’re also refusing to refund me.
Opencode Go subscription has served me well.
GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents
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Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents
#162I know very little about the current state of replacability of Opus but I do sometimes imagine a reality where Opus has been rebuilt as an open model. What plan does Anthropic have when it does happen? Will they still rent out their own model, will they support the open model and become a resource provider? Will they be able to repay the billions of dollars ? This is probably the first question I would ask someone fr…
Did you read the article? Opus 4.5 has essentially been rebuilt already
Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
My costs are 0$ as any token or subscription spend on agents is invoiced as an expense to my clients.
Thanks so much for being bold enough to be fairly open about the costs, how you arrange billing and the advantages that's given you. I've been fooling around with DeepSeek 4 agentically. It's probably not as good as Anthropic offerings, but even those seem to be roiled in politics and strife and DeepSeek 4 is very good IMHO. I'll later try out GLM. I'm in Australia. The government has set up a "return and earn" schem…
You don't seem to like the "CCP" and their political views, but why are you using their sponsored models?
Why don't you exclusively host and use the open-weight western models, even if right now they don't perform as well?
I'd like to know the psychology behind this, because your actions feel contradictory to me.
Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents
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Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents
#165Open weight models from Chinese labs tend to be significantly cheaper. I think theyre absolutely needed. I can't afford 200 USD a month for personal use of coding AI, and I don't think such prices are reasonable for most of the world economy anyway. Not to mention US firms might be giving their employees a lot more than that. It's increasingly feeling, to me, that theres a gap building up between haves and have nots.…
You made me realize something. I routinely spend upwards of 500$ per month on LLMs for coding (expensed towards clients). However I live in a place where 500$ is around the avg. salary. I’m lucky that I know my way around western clients. Clients who pay these expenses and are happy to work with me because I am still about 50% cheaper than local talent in EU/US, while my salary at home converts to an upper class inco…
The problem is that the differences between flagship and local models are compounding heavily. An 4% different could be massive when you keep iterating on the same code base.
Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents
#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
200 is much less than the value you’re supposed to get out of it. If it’s not then yeah go ahead and use cheaper models with worst quality
Are you aware of how much purchasing power 200 dollars is in china, brazil, thailand or india is? This is an extremely arrogant take.
What's that got to do with the cost of a thing? Are tradesmen in Thailand entitled to Makita tools just because American plumbers can afford them? I'm struggling to understand the entitlement in some of the comments. And even though it doesn't matter I'd point out it's not like OpenAI or Anthropic are making enormous profits at the moment.
Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents
#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
Self-promo but you should try our service synthetic.new. We generally have up-to-date open-source LLMs on the sub, and we have GLM-5.2 :) Perf+stability should be wayyy better than zai.
What do you do differently that you expect to have better performance than an experienced, established player?
Not GP, but just being smaller makes it easier to achieve reliability. Like if you're a git forge with 100 similar customers, you can likely achieve an order of magnitude better reliability than GitHub, who is trying to serve millions of customers with wildly different needs.
Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents
#168I just tested GLM 5.2 out via Z.ai in pi for a little one-off project that was already scoped. It actually did a relatively decent job starting out, and figured important things out from context. But the reasoning traces became increasingly hilarious, with it getting confused and going in loops, doubting itself. I began to feel almost sad, it was like listening to the internal monologue of someone with anxiety disord…
I have a hilarious theory why GLM (and Kimi) have this thinkslop,
apparently Chinese language as token is more information dense than English, so having these wasteful thinkslop in Mandarin isnt that damaging. So the developer focus mostly in Mandarin and didnt think of handling these thinkslop while American AI labs do.
Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents
#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks so much for being bold enough to be fairly open about the costs, how you arrange billing and the advantages that's given you. I've been fooling around with DeepSeek 4 agentically. It's probably not as good as Anthropic offerings, but even those seem to be roiled in politics and strife and DeepSeek 4 is very good IMHO. I'll later try out GLM. I'm in Australia. The government has set up a "return and earn" schem…
> There is probably a market for Deepseek/GLM served from non CCP available servers. I might even look into how hard that would be to setup here. Please do. There is definitely a market for Deepseek / GLM hosted from non-China servers, there's over 20 providers for GLM 5.2 on OpenRouter alone... and they're all either Singapore (home of Z.AI / GLM), China, or US. There is nothing yet listed on OpenRouter from Europe…
Same issue in Canada - domestic inference capability for the open models is woefully behind.
Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents
#170I know very little about the current state of replacability of Opus but I do sometimes imagine a reality where Opus has been rebuilt as an open model. What plan does Anthropic have when it does happen? Will they still rent out their own model, will they support the open model and become a resource provider? Will they be able to repay the billions of dollars ? This is probably the first question I would ask someone fr…
Did you read the article? Opus 4.5 has essentially been rebuilt already
Based on DeepSWE, Opus 4.8 gets you more intelligent output at lower price (GLM's token inefficiency is really biting them). GPT5.5 even moreso. And I don't recall about Opus but GPT is much, much faster at getting you the answer (again, GLM's token inefficiency).
It's neat, I guess, that we can compare them against models released last year, but I care about my options today, and the pareto frontier is about as far away as it ever was.
Add on top of that the extra features OpenAI and Anthropic have in their apps and...