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Medical students are using popular research tool to pump out misleading studies

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Re: Medical students are using popular research tool to pump out misleading studies

#31

Researcher/academics pay/promotoins should be contingent on reviewing,challenging and reproducing papers rather than publishing quantity, because publishing cartels and AI has already degraded most research fields.

No. You can't spend all your money on rehashing past results. Some, OK, all, not. In many fields, the money is needed for discovery.

Re: Medical students are using popular research tool to pump out misleading studies

#32

Researcher/academics pay/promotoins should be contingent on reviewing,challenging and reproducing papers rather than publishing quantity, because publishing cartels and AI has already degraded most research fields.

No. You can't spend all your money on rehashing past results. Some, OK, all, not. In many fields, the money is needed for discovery.

Discovery is quite worthless if the discovery can't be trusted enough to continue building upon.

Re: Medical students are using popular research tool to pump out misleading studies

#33

Researcher/academics pay/promotoins should be contingent on reviewing,challenging and reproducing papers rather than publishing quantity, because publishing cartels and AI has already degraded most research fields.

Should be, but you've got to tell the funders that.

Re: Medical students are using popular research tool to pump out misleading studies

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post #4

90% biomedicine papers are bullshit. These students are just practicing bullshit.

90% of statistics on the internet are made up anyway

"Don't believe random quotes on the internet"

- Albert Einstein

Re: Medical students are using popular research tool to pump out misleading studies

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post #3

My assumption is the credibility of a non-PhD-holding medical student’s research is 0, just like (almost) any other inexperienced researcher.

a friend of a friend who did a stint in biomedical academia told me that the researchers in their field did not hold research coming from the medicine community in high regard

Knew a professor statistics from a world renowned institution. He worked in nephrology for 10-20 years and would tell many stories about the worst practices he's seen and researchers pushed him to allow.

Medicine was among the worst if not the worst according to him. Didn't really want much to do with it anymore. Basically a case of subpar statistical knowledge and bad incentives.

Re: Medical students are using popular research tool to pump out misleading studies

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post #3

My assumption is the credibility of a non-PhD-holding medical student’s research is 0, just like (almost) any other inexperienced researcher.

As a clinician-academic who published in The Lancet during medical school, I think this goes a bit far. Unfortunately student doctors are encouraged to publish whether or not they actually have an interest in research… but that shouldn’t discount the work of those who are genuinely engaged. But certainly we should always approach the literature critically, including the author list, journal of publication and its pee…

As usual HN posters are hyper aware of other's credentials while ignoring that their BS in CS (if that) doesn't magically qualify them to assess everything in every domain.

"I'm a software engineer, I'm sure if I had the time to study Neuroscience, I'd figure out what all of these researchers failed to realize all these decades! I (alone) have the magic of critical and logical thinking"

Re: Medical students are using popular research tool to pump out misleading studies

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post #3

My assumption is the credibility of a non-PhD-holding medical student’s research is 0, just like (almost) any other inexperienced researcher.

As a clinician-academic who published in The Lancet during medical school, I think this goes a bit far. Unfortunately student doctors are encouraged to publish whether or not they actually have an interest in research… but that shouldn’t discount the work of those who are genuinely engaged. But certainly we should always approach the literature critically, including the author list, journal of publication and its pee…

> student doctors are encouraged to publish whether or not they actually have an interest in research… but that shouldn’t discount the work of those who are genuinely engaged.

How do you propose the interested public make the distinction between genuine engagement and forced encouragement? Isn't it the task of journals to make that distinction before publishing? I don't think you can fault the public for dismissing everything out of hand when both academia and the journals are actively turning scientific publishing into a market for lemons.

Re: Medical students are using popular research tool to pump out misleading studies

#39

Researcher/academics pay/promotoins should be contingent on reviewing,challenging and reproducing papers rather than publishing quantity, because publishing cartels and AI has already degraded most research fields.

Reproducibility in many scientific as areas has been made almost impossible. We have got to the stage where IP matters more than scientific rigour so methodology is purposely left out.

so... empiricism is over?

Re: Medical students are using popular research tool to pump out misleading studies

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a clinician-academic who published in The Lancet during medical school, I think this goes a bit far. Unfortunately student doctors are encouraged to publish whether or not they actually have an interest in research… but that shouldn’t discount the work of those who are genuinely engaged. But certainly we should always approach the literature critically, including the author list, journal of publication and its pee…

As usual HN posters are hyper aware of other's credentials while ignoring that their BS in CS (if that) doesn't magically qualify them to assess everything in every domain. "I'm a software engineer, I'm sure if I had the time to study Neuroscience, I'd figure out what all of these researchers failed to realize all these decades! I (alone) have the magic of critical and logical thinking"

A lot of us here have masters, PhDs, have published in academia, worked in the hard sciences or different engineerinf disciplines.

But I agree, when youre on the internet no ones knows you're a dog.

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