Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities

Post by walthamstow » Thu, Jun 25, 2026, 10:46 AM UTC

AdieuToLogic wrote: post #176

protimewaster wrote: post #153

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The AI companies seem to take the viewpoint that everything on the internet is free, except their stuff. It's okay to hammer some random website with AI crawlers, ignoring robots.txt, and causing bandwidth costs to skyrocket. But if you cost an AI provider money with your data acquisition practices, well, that's just clearly unacceptable.

> But if you cost an AI provider money with your data acquisition practices, well, that's just clearly unacceptable. It's the same question libertarian advocates cannot resolve: If one truly believes in personal sovereignty, how are shared resources paid for, such as roads, power grids, potable water, sewage services, fire departments, and police departments? It is also not a coincidence that leadership in many tech…

Post by senordevnyc » Thu, Jun 25, 2026, 10:48 AM UTC

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 25, 2026, 10:51 AM UTC

rienbdj wrote: post #649

runnig wrote: post #534

I'll just leave it here: "Anthropic's downloading of over seven million books from pirate sites like LibGen constituted infringement, the judge ruled, rejecting Anthropic's "research purpose" defense: "You can't just bless yourself by saying I have a research purpose and, therefore, go and take any textbook you want." https://www.joneswalker.com/en/insights/blogs/ai-law-blog/wh...

In the early days of music streaming, many of the entrants were seeding their service with vast libraries of pirated content. The winners cut deals with the copyright holders and then went after the rest.

Post by ACCount37 » Thu, Jun 25, 2026, 10:52 AM UTC

macleginn wrote: post #627

ACCount37 wrote: post #590

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It's not about how big your dataset is - it's about how you use it. I jest, but I'm also completely serious. 1T tokens from Claude can teach a model something 1T tokens scraped from the open web can't. Things like "how an LLM can problem solve effectively", or "how an LLM should use tools", or "how to construct reasoning chains", or "when to double check", or "what innate capabilities an LLM can or can't rely on". Th…

Unremarkable base model will remain an unremarkable fine-tuned model that memorised a couple thousand of input-output pairings.

Post by radicalbyte » Thu, Jun 25, 2026, 10:54 AM UTC

smurda wrote: post #672

rienbdj wrote: post #649

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In the early days of music streaming, many of the entrants were seeding their service with vast libraries of pirated content. The winners cut deals with the copyright holders and then went after the rest.

Or the early days of video uploads, YouTube's most watched videos were "pirated" clips from popular shows (e.g. SpongeBob, The Daily Show) and part of the reason I went to YouTube instead of other video hosting sites (e.g. DailyMotion). Viacom sued YouTube, while CBS and Universal ended up licensing their content. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/03/viacom-v-google-invest...