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Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents

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Post by dotancohen »

lionkor wrote: post #116
arikrahman wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone else on this forum put it well, U.S. is trying to achieve AGI at all costs, while Chinese models are seeking widespread adoption.

None of the AI companies in the US are on the path to AGI. They are, however, on the path to claiming they have AGI, then subsequently not releasing it and only giving it to the US government to make drones that can bomb the homes of political dissidents.

What kind of off topic political ideology spam is this? Do you not think that the Chinese kill their enemies?

The Chinese are genociding Uyghurs as we speak, purely for being Muslim, in numbers that dwarf any harm the US has done.

Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents

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Post by nunodonato »

christophilus wrote: post #47

I've been working with Deepseek V4 Flash (with opencode as the harness). It's been almost indistinguishable from Codex / Claude Code for me. I'm sure I'll run into problems when I get to a stickier ticket to tackle. But so far, it's been quite good, and I find it writes straightforward code. I do think the Chinese models are good enough for an 80/20 rule use case.

it would be a really great option if it didn't lack vision

Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents

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Post by 59nadir »

timcobb wrote: post #21

Can people share their GLM and open model setups in general please? What provider do you use. Why do you trust it with serving full quality? What harness do you use? Why do you trust it not to have malware (most harnessed are TS apps). I am just trying GLM 5.1 from Nvidia build in open code would love to hear how you all do it, thanks.

> What provider do you use?

1. My own harness + Local (which usually means Qwen3.6-35B-A3B), I use this fairly often for research gathering on topics, info gathering on code bases, etc.

2. My own harness + DeepSeek v4 Flash served by DeepSeek, I added $20 quite some time ago and somehow still have $18.77 in there after I don't know how many prompts. I use this pretty often, slightly less than my local setup, it's great and what I'm planning on running locally (eventually).

3. My own harness + OpenRouter with whichever model I want to try out. I use this very rarely.

4. Pi + OpenAI Codex $20 subscription. I don't use this almost at all anymore, but I keep the Codex subscription for testing things out to see how GPT-5.5 will handle a problem the other setups have issues with.

> Why do you trust it with serving full quality?

The only thing I've noticed seems unbearably useless sometimes versus what I noticed before was GPT-5.5 which has had some of the weirdest degradations I've seen. It's not to Anthropic levels but it definitely had some service issues a few times where I was wondering if they had accidentally (or purposefully) lobotomized it.

Everything else has mostly just been the same, except DeepSeek I noticed had some speed issues a few days ago.

> What harness do you use? Why do you trust it not to have malware (most harnessed are TS apps)?

I pretty much only use my own, agents are trivial to make and it's definitely not hard to make one that's better than Claude Code or Codex for whatever you're doing.

Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents

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Post by dotancohen »

reissbaker wrote: post #85
aunty_helen wrote: post #22

I signed up to a z.ai max account, $144. Hardly been able to use it as it 429s on most requests. They’re also refusing to refund me.

Self-promo but you should try our service synthetic.new. We generally have up-to-date open-source LLMs on the sub, and we have GLM-5.2 :) Perf+stability should be wayyy better than zai.

What do you do differently that you expect to have better performance than an experienced, established player?

Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents

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Post by usef- »

kreelman wrote: post #80
fbrncci wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My costs are 0$ as any token or subscription spend on agents is invoiced as an expense to my clients.

Thanks so much for being bold enough to be fairly open about the costs, how you arrange billing and the advantages that's given you. I've been fooling around with DeepSeek 4 agentically. It's probably not as good as Anthropic offerings, but even those seem to be roiled in politics and strife and DeepSeek 4 is very good IMHO. I'll later try out GLM. I'm in Australia. The government has set up a "return and earn" schem…

It's very easy to use other providers. See https://openrouter.ai/ which also lets you filter by where the provider is hosted and their data retention policy.

Jeremy Howard was recommending fireworks.ai as a host of you want to go direct. Or there's Cloudflare.

For subscription alternatives people here on HN seem to mention Open Code Go a lot too https://opencode.ai/go

Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents

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Post by lanthissa »

fbrncci wrote: post #62
jerojero wrote: post #3

Open weight models from Chinese labs tend to be significantly cheaper. I think theyre absolutely needed. I can't afford 200 USD a month for personal use of coding AI, and I don't think such prices are reasonable for most of the world economy anyway. Not to mention US firms might be giving their employees a lot more than that. It's increasingly feeling, to me, that theres a gap building up between haves and have nots.…

You made me realize something. I routinely spend upwards of 500$ per month on LLMs for coding (expensed towards clients). However I live in a place where 500$ is around the avg. salary. I’m lucky that I know my way around western clients. Clients who pay these expenses and are happy to work with me because I am still about 50% cheaper than local talent in EU/US, while my salary at home converts to an upper class inco…

AI is the first technology that doesn't incentivize offshoring, and incentivizes co-location of talent.

A NYC dev and a dev in india have the same ai costs, based the ratio tokens/salary it becomes less of comparative disadvantage to be in NYC.

Now combine that with the fact that AI makes the act of generating code less a % time of the job, and the ability to get/refine requirements more of the job and you have a decent shift.

Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents

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Post by mdjxnxnxnd »

praveer13 wrote: post #10
tacomagick wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DeepSeek through their own API has saved me tons of tokens honestly. Even though it is not as smart as Kimi or Claude, their level of entry is very low with a top up of 2$ and Pay as you go compared to the subscription of Claude or 20$ top up of Kimi

For personal use I’m considering using the frontier models from openai or anthropic to create a plan with research and brainstorming etc with enough details for cheap models to be able to follow (glm, deepseek etc) - with openrouter - will monitor how cheap and effective that turns out to be.

I call this the reviewer/implementer pattern.. Opus for planning then ds4/qwen/kimi for.implementation then opus for PR review

Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents

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Post by rglullis »

arikrahman wrote: post #40
jerojero wrote: post #3

Open weight models from Chinese labs tend to be significantly cheaper. I think theyre absolutely needed. I can't afford 200 USD a month for personal use of coding AI, and I don't think such prices are reasonable for most of the world economy anyway. Not to mention US firms might be giving their employees a lot more than that. It's increasingly feeling, to me, that theres a gap building up between haves and have nots.…

Someone else on this forum put it well, U.S. is trying to achieve AGI at all costs, while Chinese models are seeking widespread adoption.

> U.S. is trying to achieve AGI at all costs

If that was true, they would be collaborating with each other and opening up all the results from their work.

Re: GLM-5.2 is a step change for open agents

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

Once open Chinese models look like they’re about to overtake closed US models, watch the US government push imperialism hidden behind increasingly hyperbolic national security concerns.

At the end of the day, open weights should be seen as nothing more than information (just more just numbers afterall), and so organisations like the EFF should sue for any restricting of the 1st Amendment

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