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The 61 Countries a Mad Despot Could Instantly Unplug From the Internet

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Re: The 61 Countries a Mad Despot Could Instantly Unplug From the Internet

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How are India, Estonia and Latvia on the same rung as highly suppression-ist China? This is clearly facetious.

The same India that has been charging people with crimes for voicing criticism of politicians on the internet?

India has a strong judiciary that such acts will not be left unquestioned by the court - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20551955

Re: The 61 Countries a Mad Despot Could Instantly Unplug From the Internet

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same India that has been charging people with crimes for voicing criticism of politicians on the internet?

I presume you are talking about the recent "facebook related arrests". Just so you know, not every country outside the U.S., is a single monolithic block where just because some asswipe cop(s) decides to hassle kids, it means that the entire country has decided as an official policy to hassle people on that charge. Some other examples of similar specious arguments: 1. Austria is bad because a tor exit operator got ra…

And you've gotten my exact point. It may also surprise you how local China's suppression is.

I'm well aware that India isn't one monolithic government (nor any other country) - I'm pointing out the exact point in OP.

For example, the many human rights abuses related to enforcing the one-child policy - forced abortions, confiscation of property, etc. If you actually look at them you will realize that the bulk of it originates in local government. Much of China's most galling, shocking abuses come from the minds of local politicians, rather than by central dictat.

The rampant nepotism and corruption in the Chinese government is largely an expression of just how little control its central authorities have over their localized branches.

Moral comparisons between countries is usually ill-advised for this exact reason. This sort of baseless moral superiority bugs me - India is not nearly as far from China as OP seems to think it is, at least when it comes to online freedoms.

Re: The 61 Countries a Mad Despot Could Instantly Unplug From the Internet

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post #16

Do they even have the internet in N. Korea? I guess senegal in white means 'no information available' rather than 100% safe from despots

My understanding is that only the government and military elite have access from North Korea.

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Shouldn't having a "Mad Despot" also be a requirement? Both Island and Greenland are on the list, but are both democratic. They probably have few internet providers because they are so small. Greenland has a population of 56K. Iceland 320K and almost all live in the same city.

In this case the article seems to be taking the approach (for fun I suspect) of "If you wanted to be a Mad Despot, and part of your plan was to cut off the Internet to achieve this, which countries should you target". While Ireland and Greenland are on the list, I thin there are better options for your "average" mad despot. On the other hand, you have to start somewhere...

Just to point out it isn't "Island" or Ireland on the list but Iceland.

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post #2

Shouldn't having a "Mad Despot" also be a requirement? Both Island and Greenland are on the list, but are both democratic. They probably have few internet providers because they are so small. Greenland has a population of 56K. Iceland 320K and almost all live in the same city.

I don't think the map relates to the "Mad Despot", and I think it's only about risk of disconnection (including accidental disconnection). I was shocked to see Portugal there at first, but I guess they have transatlantic cables to USA or maybe to UK and not much to mainland / Spain, and that's why they are low risk. Original's Renesys (the map creator) here: http://www.renesys.com/blog/2012/11/could-it-happen-in-your…

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Re: The 61 Countries a Mad Despot Could Instantly Unplug From the Internet

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I presume you are talking about the recent "facebook related arrests". Just so you know, not every country outside the U.S., is a single monolithic block where just because some asswipe cop(s) decides to hassle kids, it means that the entire country has decided as an official policy to hassle people on that charge. Some other examples of similar specious arguments: 1. Austria is bad because a tor exit operator got ra…

And you've gotten my exact point. It may also surprise you how local China's suppression is. I'm well aware that India isn't one monolithic government (nor any other country) - I'm pointing out the exact point in OP. For example, the many human rights abuses related to enforcing the one-child policy - forced abortions, confiscation of property, etc. If you actually look at them you will realize that the bulk of it or…

> Moral comparisons between countries is usually ill-advised for this exact reason. This sort of baseless moral superiority bugs me - India is not nearly as far from China as OP seems to think it is, at least when it comes to online freedoms.

Completely agreed on making moral comparisons. I have noticed this in a few threads involving developing countries where people emerge out of the woodwork to rant about either A) How everyone is victimizing aforesaid developing country and they should just stop. or B) Make a completely irrelevant argument about how the developing country in question making progress in X is irrelevant because of abuses or oppressions or whatever. Both of these are from opposing camps but are founded on bad logic.

Re: The 61 Countries a Mad Despot Could Instantly Unplug From the Internet

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An other interesting question is: who is at the other end of those single cables? Those parties can switch of the Internet in a neighboring country or, (worse) eavesdrop on all unencrypted traffic or (worst) silently change data (imagine modifying the contens of cnn.com or bbc.co.uk) going into and out of that country.

For example, I would hope for Cuba that their connection is to Venezuela, and not to Miami.

Re: The 61 Countries a Mad Despot Could Instantly Unplug From the Internet

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post #16

Do they even have the internet in N. Korea? I guess senegal in white means 'no information available' rather than 100% safe from despots

They have an intranet in N.Korea. They have some websites (e.g wikipedia) in it as local copies from the internet
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