Anthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities

Post by overfeed » Thu, Jun 25, 2026, 4:56 AM UTC

anileated wrote: post #304

icfly2 wrote: post #282

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The issues with LLMs go beyond just IP theft. I would not say PRC making LLMs cheaper is the best outcome (though it is better than nothing). The best outcome would be to make the practice of training on our data without consent illegal, which would simultaneously slow down economic change and make it more organic as well as give PRC companies less capabilities to extract.

Post by maxloh » Thu, Jun 25, 2026, 4:58 AM UTC

tristanj wrote: post #25

Here's what is happening: Chinese resellers are offering Claude tokens at 70-90% below official Anthropic API prices. They achieve this by reselling capacity from pooled Claude Max accounts, payments fraud, and also reselling the model output & reasoning chains to various Chinese labs. They are subsidizing model access in exchange for user logs and reasoning traces, which they then sell as training data, allowing the…

Post by a34729t » Thu, Jun 25, 2026, 5:00 AM UTC

overfeed wrote: post #305

tristanj wrote: post #25

Here's what is happening: Chinese resellers are offering Claude tokens at 70-90% below official Anthropic API prices. They achieve this by reselling capacity from pooled Claude Max accounts, payments fraud, and also reselling the model output & reasoning chains to various Chinese labs. They are subsidizing model access in exchange for user logs and reasoning traces, which they then sell as training data, allowing the…

> which is also why Anthropic introduced identity verification, to slow down the onslaught of bots. Lol. The irony is thick for anyone who ever had to attempt defense against an onslaught of American AI lab crawlers that ignore robots.txt

Post by amanaplanacanal » Thu, Jun 25, 2026, 5:00 AM UTC

AdieuToLogic wrote: post #145

The hypocrisy of Anthropic complaining about "illicitly extracting its Claude AI model capabilities" and supporting the White House's accusation of China "stealing U.S. AI labs' intellectual property on an industrial scale" is hilarious. Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, Microsoft, et al trained their models by ignoring the rights of copyright holders when harvesting whatever content they could. Now one of them is crying fo…

Post by rekttrader » Thu, Jun 25, 2026, 5:02 AM UTC

anukin wrote: post #326

icfly2 wrote: post #282

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I hope you say the same when these cheap llms are used in drones to target humans. The world models are exactly built with that direction in mind.