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Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice

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Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice

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I cannot believe there are people defending this.

What? So you should just be allowed to do as you please? Start with an eco-retreat on your winery. Then build out luxury apartments? Then where to go from here? Maybe get rid of the winery for a golf course? Creep your way into a luxury resort? Where is the line?

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Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice

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Before Europe gets lumped in as one country, founding a company in Netherlands and Sweden, speaking from personal experience, is a breeze. Although Sweden is a bit strange in the fact that banks have as much equal say as the government authority does in you starting a company, and if they don't want you as a customer, they can simply deny the right for your company to start!

> Although Sweden is a bit strange in the fact that banks have as much equal say as the government authority does in you starting a company, and if they don't want you as a customer, they can simply deny the right for your company to start!

That's true anywhere, if the banking system does not like you, you are done.

Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice

#713

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I cannot believe there are people defending this.

What? So you should just be allowed to do as you please? Start with an eco-retreat on your winery. Then build out luxury apartments? Then where to go from here? Maybe get rid of the winery for a golf course? Creep your way into a luxury resort? Where is the line?

Probably somewhere between luxury resort and nuclear weapons development facility, and probably closer to the nuclear weapons development facility.

Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice

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> Which leaves the only real question. Why 25,000 at all? It is my company and my risk. If I want to start with nothing, that is my call, not a toll the state collects before it will let me try. And the cheap door has a price of its own: to some clients, “UG” reads as “not serious,” and they would rather deal with a GmbH. The structure built to let me in quietly marks me for using it. The 25,000 is there to make sure…

The OP really has decided to take the path of most resistance: An UG is exactly what his business is meant for. If he wants to be a GmbH just for appearance's sake then (a) a one-man band as a GmbH is no more "serious" than a UG (isn't a GmbH minimum 500 employees in any case?), and (b) it's an entity meant for something like Bosch GmbH, not J.Random Dude GmbH.

Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice

#716

So question is, why are you starting company in Germany, this is EU, start in better country.

EU is not the US. I started a company in Czechia and while setting the company up was not a problem, setting up a bank account was. Every bank has declined me, I started with the easiest ones.

Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice

#717

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Americans on the internet don't have confederate flags up and vote for Trump either. If you wanted to talk about how patriotism manifests on the internet, say so.

Americans IRL only rarely have Confederate flags these days. If you want to discuss the extreme right, say so.

I see them IRL in Washington state, which makes them unthinkably common IMO. But it is hilarious to see you respond so defensively to my comment saying Americans dislike criticism of their country.

Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice

#718

I've run a tech business on three continents, and nothing comes close to the Kafkaesque labyrinth of the German world. Everything is unbelievably complicated and over-engineered, and every layer is immune to change. Every rule was rational when it was added, and now everyone has a financial stake in continued complexity. The German notary is the highest-paid notary in the world, and the highest-earning professional i…

German notaries, unlike anywhere in the world, get a percantage of a done deal. That is just insane.

Why is this insane?

"The notary serves as a neutral party ensuring both buyer and seller understand their obligations. In 2026, combined notary and land registry fees typically range from 1.5% to 2% of the property price."

This is actually lower than the real estate agent percentage in USA which can be 5 to 6% split between two agents.

Also, the GP "The German notary is the highest-paid notary in the world, and the highest-earning professional in the country."

I thought for sure pilots, aviation specialists, medical fields would earn more. I'm dubious of the claims that a notary is the highest earning profession. Perhaps some cherry picking is being done.

Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice

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If you don't like the laws/rules then just leave Germany . There is no justification for tax evasion .

> If you don't like the laws/rules then just leave Germany Or change something. But yeah, I agree that leaving a country that you don't like is a good solution. I did that myself. > There is no justification for tax evasion The basics of philosophy behind taxation state exactly the opposite: it is an obligation of a business to evade as much tax as possible - as long as it is legal.

What you describe is tax avoidance and not evasion.

Tax evasion is always illegal.

Re: Founding a company in Germany: €9600, 152 days and I still can't send an invoice

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> You were never supposed to incorporate a company. You were supposed to get a job at Volkswagen. This is it. They can't fathom a world in which people do their own thing. What gives me pause for thought though, is the fact that the German economy does comparitively well within the EU.

Germany is generally averse to any kind of social mobility.

I would say Europe in general. And I get the sense they don't aspire to social mobility either, the way Americans do.
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