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Re: Elastic lays off 7% of employees

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Post by limagnolia »

echelon wrote: post #129
limagnolia wrote: post #128

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Elastic isn't Open Source though, they abandoned Open Source. It seems to me like this is an example of non-Open Source whatever licensing causing job loss. Or just plain bad leadership.

They switched from open source when big tech stole their goodies. It was too late to stop it.

Big tech didn't steal anything. Elastic used open source software as the foundation of their product (specifically, Apache Lucene), and released their product as open source. The license allowed Elastic to do so, and likewise, the license Elastic used allowed "big tech" to use Elastics product. If it wasn't for open source, Elastic wouldn't exist.

Then, Elastic whined about Amazon using Elastic under the open source license they used to build their product. They whined that Amazon wasn't contributing enough. So they switched the license to their product. So Amazon took over maintaining the open source software. Doing exactly what Elastic asked them to do.

Sorry, but everything about Elastic, and especially this most recent announcement of layoffs, scream "bad leadership".

Re: Elastic lays off 7% of employees

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Post by dirtbag__dad »

> in some areas, especially customer-facing sales, we expect to keep adding to our teams to support future growth

Can someone help me understand why sales is immune to this strategy and still is employing the “more bodies” approach. I thought we were working smarter in 2026?

Re: Elastic lays off 7% of employees

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Post by steelbrain »

dirtbag__dad wrote: post #132

> in some areas, especially customer-facing sales, we expect to keep adding to our teams to support future growth Can someone help me understand why sales is immune to this strategy and still is employing the “more bodies” approach. I thought we were working smarter in 2026?

In the US at least, it is illegal to do unsolicited outbound sales with a bot. You have to have humans make these calls.

Re: Elastic lays off 7% of employees

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Post by bigfatkitten »

collabs wrote: post #111
kelvinjps10 wrote: post #105

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Improving coverage and acceptance by plans in the marketplace would be a good start. Multiple healthcare providers only accept plans from an employer or the state, not individual plans bought in the marketplace. Crazy that in a pro-business country, if you have your own business or you're self-employed, you can't have access to healthcare

The goal should be a single payer health care system. I am not asking for like luxury spa five star treatment. However, there definitely should be a "free of cost at the point of service" option that does not have any means testing of any kind. That should be the goal and once we have that, it will not matter if you are self employed or own a business. We keep doing half measures and pretend to be surprised when it d…

The U.S. already spends considerably more tax dollars per capita on health care than almost any other country, with much less to show for it.

Re: Elastic lays off 7% of employees

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Post by kanbankaren »

Grombobulous wrote: post #36
sandeepkd wrote: post #13

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Do not want to sound like as if I am taking their side but the reality is that all these decisions are mandated by some subset of investors in one way or another. These executives are replaceable, and they would be replaced if they do not toe the line. In other words these executives happen to choose a easy and beneficial path rather than standing up for the long term right thing for the company.

The thing is, a profitable company that sees an obvious efficiency staring it in the face is still going to take that efficiency. I don’t think a lot of us employees will be happy to admit that AI is turning out to be a legitimate productivity aid that is allowing individuals to accomplish more work per person. We’d rather sit here and stew about companies “blaming AI for layoffs” but I imagine that is only sometimes…

> many parts of the Japanese system of hiring for life

This is a terrible strategy. It encourages inefficiency to metastasize throughout the company.

No wonder Japan is stuck in a rut since the 90s and its debt-to-GDP ratio is 205% which is one of the highest in the world.

Your romantic idea of Japan would get destroyed by just browsing www.reddit.com/r/japanlife/

Japan has one of the worst work culture and low productivity in the world.

Re: Elastic lays off 7% of employees

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Post by SoftTalker »

steelbrain wrote: post #133
dirtbag__dad wrote: post #132

> in some areas, especially customer-facing sales, we expect to keep adding to our teams to support future growth Can someone help me understand why sales is immune to this strategy and still is employing the “more bodies” approach. I thought we were working smarter in 2026?

In the US at least, it is illegal to do unsolicited outbound sales with a bot. You have to have humans make these calls.

Interesting. I'm in the US and I get half a dozen calls a day from AI bots. Where can I report this criminal activity?

Re: Elastic lays off 7% of employees

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Post by iwontberude »

yamillove wrote: post #63
zamadatix wrote: post #29

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I wouldn't have nearly as many complaints about this mindset change if ones life (e.g. insurance) weren't still so deeply tied to who your current employer is.

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Obama was a corporate stooge and neoliberal fuckhead who had majority in the senate and the house and spent his time fighting to pass a republican health care bill and wage illegal wars. I am a democrat but never ever will fall for that trick again. A fool can’t get fooled again.

Re: Elastic lays off 7% of employees

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Post by steelbrain »

SoftTalker wrote: post #136
steelbrain wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US at least, it is illegal to do unsolicited outbound sales with a bot. You have to have humans make these calls.

Interesting. I'm in the US and I get half a dozen calls a day from AI bots. Where can I report this criminal activity?

I'm not from the US, but based on my knowledge of your culture, it may be worth it to write a letter to your state's Attorney General

Re: Elastic lays off 7% of employees

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Post by matchbok3 »

ozgrakkurt wrote: post #121
Matticus_Rex wrote: post #55

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I'm sure that level of overhead has nothing to do with the reason Belgian incomes, standards of living, and business outcomes are worse.

It is a delusion that US is rich because of capitalism. It is an insult to the people that founded the country and people that developed science/tech/finance etc. in it. And ofc the space, natural resources and isolation from wars. Saying US is rich because capitalism is about as accurate as saying it is rich because it is christian

Do you think those natural resources would have been taken advantage of as well in some other system? Same with the geography and isolation.

You are talking about entirely different things. Makes no sense whatsoever. You could make your same argument about any economic system. The natural resources are inputs, not the outcome.

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