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Re: Banned From Making Money, These YouTubers Share Their Stories

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If you think about it from Google's perspective, its working like its supposed to. Overzealous fans going on click-fests are a problem for Google's customers (the advertisers). Automatically banning that account and showing those ads elsewhere completely solves that problem. Simple load-balancing at work. What more do they need to do?

If Google knows the clicks are no good, why do they have to ban the user instead of just voiding the clicks and not giving them any money?

Re: Banned From Making Money, These YouTubers Share Their Stories

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These stories are getting tired. Google is too big to investigate every single exception to their machine rules. We know. We get it. When you have 100 accounts, you can devote time to every exception. When you have 100,000,000 accounts you can't. You have to automate it and with 100,000,000 accounts there are going to be a lot of exceptions to the rules. Even a failure rate of 0.0001% would be enough to fill that che…

There's no reason why customer support can't scale. That's just another kind of scaling problem. I think the explanation is actually that it's too expensive and Google has done quite well not offering that level of service.

Re: Banned From Making Money, These YouTubers Share Their Stories

#43

So basically Google has enabled trolls/people with bad intentions to destroy someone's cash flow. This seems ridiculous! That's the one thing I hate about Google...their lack of customer service. Regardless if their service is free, they are making more than enough money to set up a call center or something.

You'd think if they could identify 'suspicious' clicks, they could just ignore them: don't hold the impressions/clicks against the ad-buyer, don't reward the ad-bearing site operator. Problem solved.

If it's an honest misunderstanding: no harm done. If it's a money-making scheme: they'll give up and go elsewhere, guaranteed.

Re: Banned From Making Money, These YouTubers Share Their Stories

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I was banned from AdSense for a similar reason. When I was 14 I made a flash games/funny videos website, and used AdSense as my only income. I learnt a lot about driving traffic and things just started to pick up - and then I was banned. It later came to my attention that a few friends and (at the time) girlfriend had taken it upon themselves to 'help' me by clicking an ad once a day. Annoying, since I was making abo…

With all due respect, and I agree that it wasn't your "fault", but your friends were engaging in click fraud , and you admit as much. (I'm not completely sure I'd believe they were doing it just "once" a day, but that's between you guys). What should the response to click fraud be for a $10/day account? They simply can't afford to dedicate a human being to something that small.

Oh, I absolutely agree. What my friends did was wrong, and I fully respect why Google did what they did, I would not have done anything different if I was them.

My point is more that it's interesting how easy it is to use this as a DDOS type tactic and it's a shame they don't have better appeal system in place. These days I am sure I could contribute to the AdSense ecosystem in a substantially more positive way.

Re: Banned From Making Money, These YouTubers Share Their Stories

#45

If you think about it from Google's perspective, its working like its supposed to. Overzealous fans going on click-fests are a problem for Google's customers (the advertisers). Automatically banning that account and showing those ads elsewhere completely solves that problem. Simple load-balancing at work. What more do they need to do?

The problem is the wrong person is punished, and the content creator has no recourse, and it nets out worse for everyone. Somebody who used to be rewarded for producing good content no longer is so they stop. Google's content gets worse, advertisers venue for selling their ads gets worse, consumers have less good content to watch. Nobody wins.

Would you want me to be able to shut down your business with a relatively simple action for me to take, without you being able to take any recourse, without you even having any relationship with me? It has terrible externalities with seemingly innocent actors, imagine what could be achieved with a bit of malice, as you will find among competitors.

Re: Banned From Making Money, These YouTubers Share Their Stories

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely a company of their size and resources could implement just an appeal system that is just a tad more useful.

Or any appeal system at all. The only way to get unbanned is to get noticed by a human at Google - through a non-Google channel, because Google channels are specifically designed never to bother humans.

Google channels are specifically designed never to bother humans

This is not really true; Google does answer customer support queries for products that have customer support. Google Wallet and Google Apps are two products with dedicated 24/7 phone support.

Re: Banned From Making Money, These YouTubers Share Their Stories

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So then why don't you build your own content delivery system and advertising network and create a marketplace with enough advertisers to bring you the same level of income? If not for Google, you may not have a dime of that money you've earned. I mean, maybe not, right? If so, then you'd have to have gotten that money through someone else doing what Google is doing right? Why not just switch to them if Google does yo…

Yikes, not sure what I did to set that off. I'm not angry at Google, I'm just stating the fact that as someone who does business with Google I am constantly aware that our arrangement could be gone at any moment at no-fault of my own and without any recourse. > If not for Google, you may not have a dime of that money you've earned. I mean, maybe not, right? If so, then you'd have to have gotten that money through som…

I think years and years of people focusing on the tiny percentage of people who are wrongly accused by the googleplex is what set me off.

Everyone knows. It's boring. Get over it. It's exactly the way it is supposed to be and there is no better way. All the proposals to get a human involved slow everything down and Google would never have gotten to where they are if they had people wasting their time on every case that cried about being an exception to the rule -- especially since even those who cry about being the exception really aren't the exception.

It's a waste of time and these blog posts are a waste of time and here I am wasting more time.

Re: Banned From Making Money, These YouTubers Share Their Stories

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do provide that. That's why accounts were suddenly re-enabled. The advertisers are the customers and customers want to know they are paying for clicks from valid opportunities. Google is handling the customer appropriately by banning those that are committing fraud. If you're my sales guy and you defraud my customers I'm going to fire you too.

The dozens of HC comments to the opposite aside, here's a quote that sums it up from the original article: > "It is not possible to directly contact Google," he said. "No one will speak with you, and there are no other avenues unless you are friends with someone who works there. Once your appeal is rejected, they will not reply to your emails or speak with you further on the issue (they actually tell you that in the…

Right, dozens out of dozens of millions.

It's totally irrational, sensationalist, click bait.

Re: Banned From Making Money, These YouTubers Share Their Stories

#49

If you think about it from Google's perspective, its working like its supposed to. Overzealous fans going on click-fests are a problem for Google's customers (the advertisers). Automatically banning that account and showing those ads elsewhere completely solves that problem. Simple load-balancing at work. What more do they need to do?

If Google knows the clicks are no good, why do they have to ban the user instead of just voiding the clicks and not giving them any money?

Because they never want to have to deal with the potential problem ever again. They want to move forward and creating a machine moving forward with all the ducks in a row is better than constantly re-evaluating the potential fraudsters -- however small that potential may be.

Remember, in this case, Google is the customer and the content provider is the vendor. Google has decided not to be those vendor's customer anymore.

Re: Banned From Making Money, These YouTubers Share Their Stories

#50

If you think about it from Google's perspective, its working like its supposed to. Overzealous fans going on click-fests are a problem for Google's customers (the advertisers). Automatically banning that account and showing those ads elsewhere completely solves that problem. Simple load-balancing at work. What more do they need to do?

I think the fact that anyone can get anyone else's adsense account banned by clicking their ads everyday means it's not really working the way it should.

Competitors can just kill each other's revenue sources.

But, I'm guessing the really big channels will get protection from that, while the small guys would get banned.

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