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Re: Slate EV truck starts at $24,950

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Post by economistbob »

Schiendelman wrote: post #357
bluGill wrote: post #237

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Sure, but it is all specific to the Leaf. And newer leafs apparently have good systems and won't have that problem. The problem is we can only guess because we are talking about going to trash in 8-10 years, and most EVs are not near that old. Still signs are good.

I think any EV or PHEV being trashed today has its battery recycled.

Talking the power company into taking it and calling that recycling is really just renaming the landfill location and making the electric customer's pay for it. Repurposing a failing piece of hardware is not recycling it.

Re: Slate EV truck starts at $24,950

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

pjc50 wrote: post #156
freedomben wrote: post #31

The color options are a much bigger deal than I think many people realize. It's been too many years since I saw the studies so I have no hope of being able to cite it, but in a marketing class in college I remember reading about how much people value picking a color they really like, that they feel matches their personality. It increases satisfaction, significantly reduces the cognitive dissonance (aka "buyers remors…

I think this is starting to change, fortunately, with things like the yellow Renault 5s. Mind you, when ordering a lease car for the first time recently, I did notice that I was paying a premium for non-bland colours. I suspect the weird financial structure of new cars has - they're often not bought to hold, but leased - has a lot to do with the blandness.

There's a large segment of population that will only buy white/black/gray. The paint lines are geared toward those that sell well and special colors are relegated to shorter runs with more expense for changeovers.

Re: Slate EV truck starts at $24,950

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Post by Schiendelman »

bell-cot wrote: post #166
Schiendelman wrote: post #63

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As someone who does non-trivial driving: When I switched over, I was floored - that electric bill increase was less in a month than gas was in about three days. And yes, I also have a dedicated 240V/50A circuit, 120/15 is only fine for normal commuters. In Seattle, we also went from flat 13.4c/kWh to a new variable rate with 8c/kWh available from 12-6am. My electric bill just dropped by about 30%.

What did you switch from and to? Even Tesla's Charging Calculator is far less optimistic than that: https://www.tesla.com/charging-calculator "Seattle" may be a critical bit here. The Fed thinks the "U.S. City Average" cost of electricity is far higher than yours: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/APU000072610 Based on how many of my friends followed their first EV purchase with an electrical outlet upgrade - even t…

I switched from $5 a gallon for a Subaru to 8c/kWh for a Model 3. Seattle is the best trade in the US for EVs.

Re: Slate EV truck starts at $24,950

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Post by Schiendelman »

bluGill wrote: post #360
Schiendelman wrote: post #357

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I think any EV or PHEV being trashed today has its battery recycled.

Probably, but that is a difference concern. The concern here is the average car is 12 years old. If your battery only lasts 10 years, odds are the car is worse less after you replace the battery than the cost of a battery replacement. Thus the concern - if a battery only lasts 8-10 years that means there are less used cars for poor people to buy. Fortunately it appears that only the leaf is destroying batteries that…

I haven't met anyone who's replaced a battery yet. So far the batteries seem to outlast the car.

Re: Slate EV truck starts at $24,950

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Post by Schiendelman »

economistbob wrote: post #361
Schiendelman wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think any EV or PHEV being trashed today has its battery recycled.

Talking the power company into taking it and calling that recycling is really just renaming the landfill location and making the electric customer's pay for it. Repurposing a failing piece of hardware is not recycling it.

Any data?

Re: Slate EV truck starts at $24,950

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Post by bluGill »

Schiendelman wrote: post #365
bluGill wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably, but that is a difference concern. The concern here is the average car is 12 years old. If your battery only lasts 10 years, odds are the car is worse less after you replace the battery than the cost of a battery replacement. Thus the concern - if a battery only lasts 8-10 years that means there are less used cars for poor people to buy. Fortunately it appears that only the leaf is destroying batteries that…

I haven't met anyone who's replaced a battery yet. So far the batteries seem to outlast the car.

Most EVs are not old enough to need a replacement so no surprise you haven't seen it.

I've seen places offering to do it to a leaf. However the cost is more than the leaf is worth by the time it needs it. I know a few people with a leaf that has half the factory range left and they just deal with it because the cost isn't worth it.

Re: Slate EV truck starts at $24,950

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Post by lastofthemojito »

scoofy wrote: post #353
radpanda wrote: post #283

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Yup. My parents bought a Jeep Cherokee back in the day as the family car rather than something like a Ford Taurus just so they could drive on the beach. That probably only happened a few days a year, but they were beloved outings and made the Jeep worthwhile to them. You could say that it would make more sense to drive a more economical car for most of the year and only rent a Jeep for the beach excursions, but how r…

If every couple had one EV truck for heavy lifting and a small ICE hatchback for long distances, we’d reduce our emissions and our gas bills massively. Most people don’t have to pick an everything vehicle. We all benefit when we focus on maximizing our division of labor.

> If every couple had one EV truck for heavy lifting and a small ICE hatchback for long distances

Maybe it's because I'm a dad but I can't imagine telling the family, "Roadtrip time! Let's all pack into the smaller car!". When we're taking the long family road trip to the beach or whatever, we always end up with the big car full of boogie boards and pool toys and cooler and beach umbrella, etc. Bigger cars with longer wheelbases tend to be more comfortable on the highway as well.

The folks I know who do the ICE/EV split household like you've mentioned tend to do the opposite. Dad has a small EV for a cheap and easy commute to work and Mom has an ICE (or hybrid) SUV or minivan that gets used for the long road trips as well as daily errands (but Mom doesn't rack up enough miles for the cost of gas to be much of a worry). There also seems to be less willingness from women (at least in the US) to make the switch to full EVs.

Re: Slate EV truck starts at $24,950

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Post by bryanlarsen »

IshKebab wrote: post #337
mgrandl wrote: post #220

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And that is completely ignoring maintenance cost which tends to be a lot cheaper on EVs.

Somewhat cheaper anyway (30% according to https://www.thecarexpert.co.uk/petrol-vs-electric-servicing-... ), but I wouldn't be surprised if that is wiped out by the increased insurance costs. I definitely wouldn't buy an EV based on lower service costs.

That's based on the manufacturer's "lets not upset our dealers" maintenance schedule and is completely unnecessary. In reality you can probably bring your EV to the dealer once every 4 years or so. On that schedule you should:

- check the brake fluid for water - change the cabin air filter - change the gearbox oil - check/change the battery coolant

If you're going in more frequent than that you're getting a very expensive windshield wiper replacement.

The real kicker is going to be repair costs. An EV has about 10% of the moving parts of an ICE car, so in theory repairs should be much less frequent. But if the ICE is a Toyota and the EV is a Tesla, YMMV.

You'll probably have to replace the battery at around 250,000 miles but at that point the car is worth pretty much scrap value anyways.

Re: Slate EV truck starts at $24,950

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

vablings wrote: post #302
bluGill wrote: post #297

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> every single home in the USA is capable of level 2 charging Agreed > the question is just do they have a 240v outlet somewhere nearby to a garage or parking spot. They almost never do. This is the key thing you are not understanding about my reply. We can get level 2 anywhere, but most of the time it means you have to have an electrician. > Using apps like ABRP That is my objection. When I drive a gas car don't nee…

> They almost never do. This is the key thing you are not understanding about my reply. We can get level 2 anywhere, but most of the time it means you have to have an electrician. In my personal experience most, homes have a dryer outlet in the washroom connected to the garage at least in TX. It's no bother running a cable from the washroom to the garage. > That is my objection. When I drive a gas car don't need an a…

It isn't legal to have multiple receptacles on 20A+ circuits. New work has to connect to a panel directly.
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