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I am a person who will look at the Steam Machine and cry

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Re: I am a person who will look at the Steam Machine and cry

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On a wide enough horizon, litho (& MRI) machines are nothing more than a source of entertainment? Narrower horizon: https://ideas.repec.org/a/eee/enepol/v38y2010i9p5174-5188.ht...

I think China came to the conclusion that the French got it right when they standardized on the Hualong One [1] rather than AP-1000. I did break out the champagne the other day when I heard they actually installed a BWRX 300 module at Darlington the other day! As for electronics manufacturing it's believable we see something entirely different in 20 years (SQUID? true 3-d integration?) but I expect a rough patch for…

Man did I google a lot of things in this comment. Paul, you're an interesting person.

Re: I am a person who will look at the Steam Machine and cry

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I think China came to the conclusion that the French got it right when they standardized on the Hualong One [1] rather than AP-1000. I did break out the champagne the other day when I heard they actually installed a BWRX 300 module at Darlington the other day! As for electronics manufacturing it's believable we see something entirely different in 20 years (SQUID? true 3-d integration?) but I expect a rough patch for…

Man did I google a lot of things in this comment. Paul, you're an interesting person.

And you didn't even ask me what my favorite sci-fun gun is?

Re: I am a person who will look at the Steam Machine and cry

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I have a desktop with a relatively powerful 5070 (I think) GPU for playing VR games. But my priorities for couch & controller games is not really around super high graphics performance. Lately I find myself playing classic games on emulator, or generally games without huge graphics demands (been playing that climbing game PEAK a lot lately). For me, getting a random no-name-brand Mini PC is such a fantastic deal thes…

You can also stream games from your powerful PC to the mini PC using Steam, so specs are not as important.

I've always worried about latency for that - but it's ironic since I regularly stream over dedicated WiFi to my Quest VR headset. I'll have to give it a try some time. If they have some asynchronous reprojection tech for streaming that would be ideal

Re: I am a person who will look at the Steam Machine and cry

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Man did I google a lot of things in this comment. Paul, you're an interesting person.

And you didn't even ask me what my favorite sci-fun gun is?

I didn't... Is it the one from Existenz? The one from Portal is pretty cool.

Re: I am a person who will look at the Steam Machine and cry

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End-to-end (hardware, OS, UI software) support from a single vendor for a narrowly-configured gaming PC, with actual serious support in terms of software updates and such, not just "we'll maybe honor the warranty if it breaks", including for TV-attached use cases where PCs (windows or Linux, either) tend to be kinda wonky[0], was appealing enough to me that I planned to buy it day-1 if it was under $700, and probably…

Do you want to buy it to play video games on or do you want to buy it as a display/bragging rights piece? What games do you play now that this specialized piece of hardware would better?

> What games do you play now that this specialized piece of hardware would better?

It'd likely be better as a living room TV PC than any PC I've ever owned or have seen for sale before, and it's likely to enjoy years of good support and frequent updates for its entire software stack by the same vendor that's selling the hardware, which is something I've never seen from anyone but Apple (aside from Valve, of course, for my Steam Deck) in more than 25 years of buying PCs and PC hardware. I tend to use my gaming PCs for five or so years at a time, despite never buying any parts that are top-of-the-line, so I'd expect to use this at least five years, and if the steam deck is any indication, it'll likely have 1st-party support for exactly the device and software I am using that entire time.

It'd be better for approximately all the games I play now than the power-hungry giant tower I have (it's effectively a lateral move on everything except 3D processing speed, which'll be roughly double what I've got now), plus, unlike this bazzite-running franken-PC, I expect it won't do stuff like have a weird whole-screen momentary color-shift every couple minutes (multiple monitors, it's the software, not the monitor's fault), constantly forget how to connect to bluetooth devices it's paired with (this, with a USB-attached bluetooth chip that's allegedly "really good on Linux", LOL; incidentally, it also can't pair with some devices in "desktop mode" [KDE] but can connect to them there once paired in "Gaming Mode", it's so weird), freak the hell out and scream like the damned(!) if a game tries to output something other than stereo audio, et c. I expect it'll have fewer "minor" problems like that on account of the 1st party vendor support and their having very few total hardware configs to test against.

I want it to play video games. Who in god's name would brag about something they merely bought? Especially if that something is mass-produced electronics.

Re: I am a person who will look at the Steam Machine and cry

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In the US, unemployment is at 4.3%.

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I think that is a better way to look at it, although you then need to compare the 35% to historical trends, or you will just have an emotional "that's a big number" reaction.

Re: I am a person who will look at the Steam Machine and cry

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I am flabbergasted by the negativity. It is more expensive of what we hoped for. Is it overpriced? I tried to calculate what a PC would cost NOW and it's exactly the same cost. I have a big Steam Library, a Steam Deck (actually 2), a desktop PC, a very old desktop pc. We are also a family of 4 and both my kids enjoy gaming (they are my kids after all), recently they started showing a lot of interest for games I play…

I don't think the problem is that there aren't people in the market for it, but more that increasingly products that used to be meant for the average middle class are now perks for wealthier individuals - to the point where I think if there's a collapse of the AAA gaming industry is because there's not enough wealthy people time to accommodate for all the titles. Like GTA VI is speculated to release at around 90$, an…

For basically my whole gaming life starting in the early 1990s, PC games have been ~$50. It is frankly shocking that the price points have been so sticky. $50 in 2000 dollars is $96 today. Inflation is real. It sucks, but that's the reality of economics. It is completely reasonable for video game prices to appreciate along with everything else.

Re: I am a person who will look at the Steam Machine and cry

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I think that is a better way to look at it, although you then need to compare the 35% to historical trends, or you will just have an emotional "that's a big number" reaction.

Historical trends is another kind of trap, because employment used to mean something different compared to the necessity an income has become today.

For most of history anybody could just claim land. You literally just said "Mine!" And it was yours. You could shoot anyone who tried to enter it. You could do whatever you want - hunt on it and trade the fur and meat for pure gold, fish, drill for oil, create 100s of acres of opium fields.

Frankly, for most of history, nobody needed a job.

Today all land is owned by somebody, and even if you do own it, you still owe taxes and it comes with all sorts of restrictions and zoning for how you can use it. Often they are managed by POAs and HOAs, so it's not much different than renting. For those that do rent, it's even worse - you stay working forever.

I digress - even as recently as the 1970s or 80s, if you wanted a job, you had one. If you wanted a house, you had one.

Today, you need a job to survive, there's no safety net (at least not the United States) and basically no way to legally obtain the resources, space, and structures a typical human needs to survive well in the world.

So yeah, something like a 35% unemployment rate - where rent is the most expensive thing in the economy, nobody is allowed to build houses, nobody except for a few are allowed to sell goods, nobody is allowed to freely trade or construct anything - is a cause for immense daily suffering for no good reason.

hIsToRy will not look back on this brief era fondly. It's poverty and suffering for no reason, and we could (and will) do better.

Re: I am a person who will look at the Steam Machine and cry

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I am flabbergasted by the negativity. It is more expensive of what we hoped for. Is it overpriced? I tried to calculate what a PC would cost NOW and it's exactly the same cost. I have a big Steam Library, a Steam Deck (actually 2), a desktop PC, a very old desktop pc. We are also a family of 4 and both my kids enjoy gaming (they are my kids after all), recently they started showing a lot of interest for games I play…

Except others have done the same comparison to current PC prices and still found a ~50% markup.

Re: I am a person who will look at the Steam Machine and cry

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I am flabbergasted by the negativity. It is more expensive of what we hoped for. Is it overpriced? I tried to calculate what a PC would cost NOW and it's exactly the same cost. I have a big Steam Library, a Steam Deck (actually 2), a desktop PC, a very old desktop pc. We are also a family of 4 and both my kids enjoy gaming (they are my kids after all), recently they started showing a lot of interest for games I play…

Except others have done the same comparison to current PC prices and still found a ~50% markup.

Grab pc part picker and do it yourself, it's not complex.

How can there be 50% markup if the ram price is alone like 500$

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