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For most of the world, open-source AI is the only way forward

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Re: For most of the world, open-source AI is the only way forward

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Post by petcat »

logancbrown wrote: post #38
mbgerring wrote: post #14

There is no reason we should accept the enclosure of the digital commons represented by AI. The data these models are trained on amounts to the total intellectual and artistic output of human kind through recorded history. It belongs to all of us, and accordingly, so should the models and weights produced by it.

The effort of humans who had to toil through training models belongs to everyone? Do they no longer have any ownership over their hard work?

Not too mention the unbelievable cost of actually doing all that training.

Re: For most of the world, open-source AI is the only way forward

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Post by riddlemethat »

logancbrown wrote: post #38
mbgerring wrote: post #14

There is no reason we should accept the enclosure of the digital commons represented by AI. The data these models are trained on amounts to the total intellectual and artistic output of human kind through recorded history. It belongs to all of us, and accordingly, so should the models and weights produced by it.

The effort of humans who had to toil through training models belongs to everyone? Do they no longer have any ownership over their hard work?

They got paid. That’s what the money was for. It’s the investors who backed these foundational model companies who will hold the bag as more open source models come along and consume more market share.

Re: For most of the world, open-source AI is the only way forward

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

Avicebron wrote: post #23
mbgerring wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d bet that there won’t be a RAM shortage for very long.

This seems wildly optimistic, do you have anything to support it?

History? This isn't the first RAM shortage. When one happens, producers build more fabs. The fabs come online, the availability of memory shoots up, and the shortage goes away, usually replaced by a glut.

If you want to argue that this is different from all previous RAM shortages, you can, but the burden of proof is on you to show the difference.

Re: For most of the world, open-source AI is the only way forward

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Post by tencentshill »

logancbrown wrote: post #38
mbgerring wrote: post #14

There is no reason we should accept the enclosure of the digital commons represented by AI. The data these models are trained on amounts to the total intellectual and artistic output of human kind through recorded history. It belongs to all of us, and accordingly, so should the models and weights produced by it.

The effort of humans who had to toil through training models belongs to everyone? Do they no longer have any ownership over their hard work?

Some consider copyright to be unethical. "Information wants to be free".

Re: For most of the world, open-source AI is the only way forward

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Post by abetusk »

pmontra wrote: post #2

Agreed but I want to see how it plays out. Historically a good Windows computer cost $1000 and it was all it took to start programming. How much does it cost a computer with enough resources to run a good enough AI model for agentic workflows and a reasonable time to first token? Can "most of the world" afford buying one?

Moore's law or one of its generalizations still holds, so it will only be a short matter of time before a $1k computer will be able to train and run a powerful enough model.

Re: For most of the world, open-source AI is the only way forward

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

paxys wrote: post #32
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What..? We have open weights AI already, and even if we didn't, I don't see how Open Source hardware is a pre-requisite

Weights are meaningless if you can’t run the model from a computer under your desk.

Fine, but I have a computer under my desk. I didn't have to wait for open hardware in order to get it.

Re: For most of the world, open-source AI is the only way forward

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Post by SoftTalker »

petcat wrote: post #41
logancbrown wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The effort of humans who had to toil through training models belongs to everyone? Do they no longer have any ownership over their hard work?

Not too mention the unbelievable cost of actually doing all that training.

People used to make the similar arguments about programming languages and compilers. Now you'd need extaordinary requirements to justify paying licensing or usage fees for a language runtime or compiler.

Re: For most of the world, open-source AI is the only way forward

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Post by SoftTalker »

majormajor wrote: post #22
pmontra wrote: post #2

Agreed but I want to see how it plays out. Historically a good Windows computer cost $1000 and it was all it took to start programming. How much does it cost a computer with enough resources to run a good enough AI model for agentic workflows and a reasonable time to first token? Can "most of the world" afford buying one?

> Historically a good Windows computer cost $1000 and it was all it took to start programming. Gotta remember inflation here. $1K in 1995 was roughly equivalent to $2K now and wouldn't have been a particularly "good" machine then. In 1982 the Commodore 64 started at about $600 bucks, also roughly around $2K today. If you outgrew that, beefier machines back then were A LOT. It was easy to find $2k+ towers and (especia…

And a unix workstation in those days could be high 4 or even 5 figures, depending on configuration.

Re: For most of the world, open-source AI is the only way forward

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Post by RRWagner »

tencentshill wrote: post #44
logancbrown wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The effort of humans who had to toil through training models belongs to everyone? Do they no longer have any ownership over their hard work?

Some consider copyright to be unethical. "Information wants to be free".

I would propose that copyrights not be eternal
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