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For most of the world, open-source AI is the only way forward

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Re: For most of the world, open-source AI is the only way forward

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Agreed but I want to see how it plays out. Historically a good Windows computer cost $1000 and it was all it took to start programming. How much does it cost a computer with enough resources to run a good enough AI model for agentic workflows and a reasonable time to first token? Can "most of the world" afford buying one?

Open weights/source doesn't necessarily mean running on local hardware, though.

I imagine having multiple providers competing will drive down hosted versions of open weight models drastically.

Re: For most of the world, open-source AI is the only way forward

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We don't need rinky-dink RTX models that budget VRAM. We need large scale open weights models just as capable as what's at the frontier. And we need the ability to rent compute and spin up the weights easily. One-click, easy enough for anyone. Easier than nerd tools like ComfyUI, Claw, and node graph garbage. Freedom is owning very large scale weights. Anything less is subsistence.

We need to improve the waster and energy usage and this method doesn't. Most are not reinventing the wheel, a shared AI repository, communicated between online local computers would save a lot of need for these large models.

NO!

This is the wrong approach that will turn us into serfs. We need big honking models that do what the leading foundation hyperscaler models do to within a few percentage points of measured performance.

The small-scale models are not productive, and the duct tape solutions built on top of them are hobbyist-tier "year of Linux on desktop" toys.

I imagine fedora-wearing, crypto-shilling, coupon-cutting boffins every time I see small weights thing lauded as the future. This is the Pine Phone F-Droid of AI.

"SMS works most of the time on my phone, I swear! I don't really need my banking app!"

That is not big model energy.

Nothing outside of the top ten is worth spending any time on, and we need to focus on models that bridge the gap.

You're talking about impractical toys for highly technical people wasting their own time. That doesn't move the needle or have any economic impact on the competitive landscape.

We need sharp teeth that bite at the legs of the top-tier foundation labs and hold them back from running away with the prize.

We've been through this time and time again over the last thirty years. It's the same shaped problem as before. We don't need toys - we need real infra for real people paying money to do work. Not freeware for freeloaders who don't spend and invest in the problem space.

Large models fit that precisely, because it forces investment into a wide variety of open infra, routers, inference engines, etc. Not to mention the weights ecosystem itself.

Re: For most of the world, open-source AI is the only way forward

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Agreed but I want to see how it plays out. Historically a good Windows computer cost $1000 and it was all it took to start programming. How much does it cost a computer with enough resources to run a good enough AI model for agentic workflows and a reasonable time to first token? Can "most of the world" afford buying one?

About $2k in 2026 dollars and falling.

... or rising, at least as long as there's a RAM shortage.

Re: For most of the world, open-source AI is the only way forward

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There is no reason we should accept the enclosure of the digital commons represented by AI. The data these models are trained on amounts to the total intellectual and artistic output of human kind through recorded history. It belongs to all of us, and accordingly, so should the models and weights produced by it.

Re: For most of the world, open-source AI is the only way forward

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We don't need rinky-dink RTX models that budget VRAM. We need large scale open weights models just as capable as what's at the frontier. And we need the ability to rent compute and spin up the weights easily. One-click, easy enough for anyone. Easier than nerd tools like ComfyUI, Claw, and node graph garbage. Freedom is owning very large scale weights. Anything less is subsistence.

We need to improve the waster and energy usage and this method doesn't. Most are not reinventing the wheel, a shared AI repository, communicated between online local computers would save a lot of need for these large models.

I'd love to see credible numbers on the energy usage of thousands of people running models on their own devices compared to sharing data center resources to run big models that serve many different people at the same time.

My hunch is that the energy/water usage of the data centers is a whole lot more efficient than everyone running at home, but I'd be interested in seeing real data on that.

Re: For most of the world, open-source AI is the only way forward

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Yann is on the mark. Almost amusing to see the EU along with its many former “subjects” realize they are at great risk of joint Chinese-American hegemony in AI. We should all be more terrified of a few nation states defining the agendas and policies of AI use than current Ai variants that a inherently without purpose or autonomy.

Great analogy to the fear of the printing press being really bad news in that it enabled the rabble to get aroused.

Re: For most of the world, open-source AI is the only way forward

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Agreed but I want to see how it plays out. Historically a good Windows computer cost $1000 and it was all it took to start programming. How much does it cost a computer with enough resources to run a good enough AI model for agentic workflows and a reasonable time to first token? Can "most of the world" afford buying one?

Yes, between Moore's Law and more efficient model architectures, we just have to let time do its work.

Software models and hardware are getting better all the time—and that’s where some big companies spending billions might stumble! In fact, Microsoft recently announced that they’re scaling back a bit on their AI investments.

Re: For most of the world, open-source AI is the only way forward

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

... or rising, at least as long as there's a RAM shortage.

I’d bet that there won’t be a RAM shortage for very long.

The best article I've seen about that is this one by David Oks (ignore the headline, the content is much better): https://davidoks.blog/p/ai-is-killing-the-cheap-smartphone

> It was only in 2025, as memory prices began an unprecedented surge, that the memory makers started to build new fabs targeted at HBM, all slated to start producing chips in 2027 or 2028.

Re: For most of the world, open-source AI is the only way forward

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post #2

Agreed but I want to see how it plays out. Historically a good Windows computer cost $1000 and it was all it took to start programming. How much does it cost a computer with enough resources to run a good enough AI model for agentic workflows and a reasonable time to first token? Can "most of the world" afford buying one?

Before the AI "crisis" it used to take about $3500 to get a prebuilt with a 5090 which can run good enough LLMs. I run reasonable LLMs on just 16GB of VRAM on my Mac, and the 5090 has double that.
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