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OpenAI unveils its first custom chip, built by Broadcom

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Re: OpenAI unveils its first custom chip, built by Broadcom

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Pretty huge move. Google and their TPUs are looking infinitely more prescient as I think they are on their 7th generation, along with the offshoots it inspired like the LPU and even others, perhaps like Cerebras and their Wafer Scale Engine. However, based off first impressions, it seems like this is meant for inference side, and not training, which is also an interesting choice.

Training is pretty much a 1x cost, and efficiency there is already on the way down with architectural improvements. Inference though is an ongoing cost which over time takes orders of magnitude more resources, so focusing on making that far more efficient means way greater gains over time.

Re: OpenAI unveils its first custom chip, built by Broadcom

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One thing I don't like about California based companies is how cringe the names always are. "Jalapeño" is such a bad name, having an "ñ" already makes it difficult and annoying to deal with in so many little ways. Good luck with that. But also, theres the sort of "yes lets use Mexican related things because we're California" thought that I just really hate. I don't know, its like corporate Memphis to me. You see a pr…

No worse, I suppose, than, the obsession with Lord of the Rings that the authoritarian surveillance companies have. Palantir, Anduril. Then we have the not defense/surveillance ones: Mithril, Valar, Narya, Erebor

What kinds of names would you suggest?

Re: OpenAI unveils its first custom chip, built by Broadcom

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post #5

Pretty huge move. Google and their TPUs are looking infinitely more prescient as I think they are on their 7th generation, along with the offshoots it inspired like the LPU and even others, perhaps like Cerebras and their Wafer Scale Engine. However, based off first impressions, it seems like this is meant for inference side, and not training, which is also an interesting choice.

> early testing shows that Jalapeño will deliver performance per watt substantially better than current state-of-the-art

We're starting to see what really matters here, and though this is hand wavy the TPU makes similar claims.

I think googles memo about having no moat still stands (see: https://newsletter.semianalysis.com/p/google-we-have-no-moat... if you are unaware). It kind of makes sense that all of this is looking more like 60's to 90's IBM, DEC, Cray, Sun and the hardware race that happened then. History doesn't repeat but it often rhymes and I suspect that these efforts will follow the same trajectory.

Re: OpenAI unveils its first custom chip, built by Broadcom

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I mean I'd love to be able to buy something like the 17k tps taalas chip as a pcie or m.2.

Imagine when we can roar along at that speed, low power. Can just have the model reason for a while about anything and everything. It reminds me of the "race to idle" for mcus etc.

Re: OpenAI unveils its first custom chip, built by Broadcom

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No worse, I suppose, than, the obsession with Lord of the Rings that the authoritarian surveillance companies have. Palantir, Anduril. Then we have the not defense/surveillance ones: Mithril, Valar, Narya, Erebor

What kinds of names would you suggest?

None, probably. Just saying Jalapeño is no worse than any other non-descriptive company name. Although at least Palantir and Anduril are aptly named for what they do. The VC firms less so.

Re: OpenAI unveils its first custom chip, built by Broadcom

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post #6

One thing I don't like about California based companies is how cringe the names always are. "Jalapeño" is such a bad name, having an "ñ" already makes it difficult and annoying to deal with in so many little ways. Good luck with that. But also, theres the sort of "yes lets use Mexican related things because we're California" thought that I just really hate. I don't know, its like corporate Memphis to me. You see a pr…

Strawberry was too complicated as a codename.

Re: OpenAI unveils its first custom chip, built by Broadcom

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Probably obvious but still omitted in the OpenAI post: chips are being made by TSMC [1]. Wasn't sure if Intel got it. 1. https://www.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/openai-unve...

I recently put 2+2 together. Broadcom has become wealthy by being Google's TPU hardware partner, including sharing their TSMC capacity with Google, and evidently now they are doing the same thing with OpenAI. What a brilliant way to take advantage of the AI gold rush! I wish they weren't using their piles of money to extort money out of the software industry like they are with VMWare and Bitnami.

> Broadcom has become wealthy by being Google's TPU hardware partner...

Kinda, but not exactly.

Broadcom cornered the enterprise infra and security market in the late 2010s and early 2020s after acquiring CA Technologies, BMC (EDIT: Did NOT acquire them, they were considering it back in 2018 but decided against it and KKR ended up acquiring them), Symantec (which they bought instead of BMC), and VMWare and were able to make a strong cybersecurity story during the late 2010s cybersecurity and SaaS boom.

That gave them plenty of cashflow that helped subsidize their hardware business when hardware was not viewed as hot as it is today.

Additionally, Broadcom is GCP's marquee customer and has been for a little under a decade so they were able to make a sweetheart deal where all that software businesses at Broadcom would be exclusively using GCP and in return GCP would working with Broadcom to design it's silicon and source infra needed for their DC buildouts.

Ironically, the DoJ blocking Broadcom's acquisition of Qualcomm was the best thing it ever could have done for Broadcom, because it gave Broadcom the dry powder to dominate the Enterprise SaaS and build a strong niche in the cybersecurity space.

> piles of money to extort money out of the software industry

From personal experience, executives and leadership who started off in the electronics and hardware industry are much more vicious and cutthroat than their peers who started in software.

Working in an industry that historically had to deal with high commodification, low margins, and long tail sales leads to leadership that can execute. Additionally, no one climbs the leadership ladder without having spent years as a line-level engineer, but that's true for software as well to an extent.

Edit: can't reply

> Did they acquire also BMC?

Nope.

Broadcom was considering acquiring them in 2018 but decided not to go through with the opportunity and KKR jumped in.

Re: OpenAI unveils its first custom chip, built by Broadcom

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I hope to see something like this, but in a small form factor like the NVIDIA spark. I want a super fast LLM that is Opus 4.6+, like, in ability.

Memory bandwidth is the bottleneck in the Spark. If you replace the SoC with an optimized ASIC but keep the same 256-bit LPDDR5 the performance will be the same. You can increase performance by using wider memory but that's also more expensive.
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