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European Commission's Metsola Overrides MEPs to Force Through Chat Control
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#12We're moving towards total surveillance slowly but surely. Age verification. Chat control. To an extent also the digital euro. It all seems hopeless, they're pushing this through despite what semblance of a democratic process we have clearly being against it. [that is not to speak of how undemocratic the european system is and how badly it needs reform. Von der leyen should never have been able to get the role she ho…
> We're moving towards total surveillance slowly but surely
We're actually speedrunning towards total surveillance.
I don't believe in democracy at all anymore.
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#13Guess who is funding and lobbying this? Robert Metsola met Ashton Kutcher (co-founder of Thorn, which develops message scanning tech) in March 2023 and posted a photo on Instagram. Kutcher lobbied MEPs hard in favour of strong detection measures.
I never imagined Ashton Kutcher's pivot to evil tech titan back when he was being goofy on That 70s Show or Dude Where's My Car?.
Well it gets worse: Ashton Kutcher’s primary connection to Palantir Technologies is through Thorn, which uses Palantir’s AI and data-processing software to scan messages.
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#14We're moving towards total surveillance slowly but surely. Age verification. Chat control. To an extent also the digital euro. It all seems hopeless, they're pushing this through despite what semblance of a democratic process we have clearly being against it. [that is not to speak of how undemocratic the european system is and how badly it needs reform. Von der leyen should never have been able to get the role she ho…
> We're moving towards total surveillance slowly but surely We're actually speedrunning towards total surveillance. I don't believe in democracy at all anymore.
Non-democracies speedrun towards surveillance even faster. Democracy is the best we have and this action is anti-democratic.
The other part of the story is that as long as Europe continues to vote radical rights + conservatives, we are going to get more and more of this. Most greens and progressives fight this tooth and nail.
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#15This is one of the main reasons UK left EU.
National politicians use the EU to bypass national democracy and then blame the EU publicly to deflect of their true involvement.
Uk was a leading EU country via being one of the largest financial contributors, and UK was behind many of the decisions they later blamed on 'EU Bureaucrats'.
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#16This is one of the main reasons UK left EU. National politicians use the EU to bypass national democracy and then blame the EU publicly to deflect of their true involvement. Uk was a leading EU country via being one of the largest financial contributors, and UK was behind many of the decisions they later blamed on 'EU Bureaucrats'.
No, it wasn't. It was fundamentally about freedom of movement and little Englander racism, and lies about farming, the nhs and fishing.
Very few people voted on ID issues or chat control.
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#17This is one of the main reasons UK left EU. National politicians use the EU to bypass national democracy and then blame the EU publicly to deflect of their true involvement. Uk was a leading EU country via being one of the largest financial contributors, and UK was behind many of the decisions they later blamed on 'EU Bureaucrats'.
It would've been a good reason to leave the EU, but a) Chat Control was barely a concern in 2016, and b) no the fuck it wasn't, the main reasons the UK left the EU are racism and being lied to about being able to get sweetheart deals.
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#18We're moving towards total surveillance slowly but surely. Age verification. Chat control. To an extent also the digital euro. It all seems hopeless, they're pushing this through despite what semblance of a democratic process we have clearly being against it. [that is not to speak of how undemocratic the european system is and how badly it needs reform. Von der leyen should never have been able to get the role she ho…
This is and has always been inevitable with tech.
Politics can only postpone people's inherent desire to control and dominate and powerful tech makes this easier and cheaper.
We (the tech people) have built the perfect tools to centralize and automate control and we're still doing it, mostly for free.
The way things are going, our imagination is probably too poor to visualize the kind of dystopia this can/will eventually grow into.
It's highly unlikely that the general population will revolt against this - fear makes most people docile and compliant, self censoring and obedient. There are many examples of this in the world right now and it's only going to get worse.
We can only push back to postpone this, but the tide is against us and too few really care about these things.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We're moving towards total surveillance slowly but surely We're actually speedrunning towards total surveillance. I don't believe in democracy at all anymore.
Non-democracies speedrun towards surveillance even faster. Democracy is the best we have and this action is anti-democratic. The other part of the story is that as long as Europe continues to vote radical rights + conservatives, we are going to get more and more of this. Most greens and progressives fight this tooth and nail.
What is anti-democratic about trying to assemble a coalition to change lawmakers' minds and get them to vote differently? It is rather core to democracies that decisions aren't set in stone and if you disagree with the majority you can always try to renegotiate.
While most greens and progressives may be against this particular law, I rather doubt that if they introduced a progressive green law for a vote and failed to get a majority, they would immediately give up and never try to get such a law passed ever again.
And I think it's good that nobody has to give up on politics just because they lost once.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We're moving towards total surveillance slowly but surely We're actually speedrunning towards total surveillance. I don't believe in democracy at all anymore.
Non-democracies speedrun towards surveillance even faster. Democracy is the best we have and this action is anti-democratic. The other part of the story is that as long as Europe continues to vote radical rights + conservatives, we are going to get more and more of this. Most greens and progressives fight this tooth and nail.
It's also this learned helplessness of the voters, a very useful tool for whoever wants to push their agenda. Have you noticed who the "anti-system" voters are actually voting for? They're voting exactly to increase borders, controls, surveillance, all for the children and against immigrants. Plus, this is the tech forum where the tech folks actually building the foundation for this surveillance, yes that's us, complain about inevitability. It's... sad to watch.