Looking at the example videos, specially the VR one, I can't help but think that this gives every word its own unique shape. For example, the word "model" got shape matching infinity symbol.
FUTO Swipe – A new swipe typing model
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Re: FUTO Swipe – A new swipe typing model
#122Absolutely cool demo. I used to love this feature in SwiftKey. It still works but after their acquisition by Microsoft they've gone downhill. I've since switched to iOS but would love to try Futo out when it's available for iOS
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is interesting. Though it doesn't seem like it'd translate well to a physical keyboard, leaving me with two different layouts to work with. Maybe I'm mistaken though. Are there any physical clearflow keyboards? Are they any good, or does clearflow really only work well with swipe?
The thumb typing muscle memory does not translate to finger typing at all. Most Dvorak or Colemak users are comfortable using QWERTY on their phones. Clearflow really only works well with swipe.
No, not muscle memory, but at least the idea of knowing where keys are. I'd bet that non-qwerty typers mostly started with qwerty and possibly still need to use it on some occasions, so they remember.
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#124I used to use SwiftKey, but Microsoft acquired and ruined it years ago. It worked really well. Since then the only one that worked for me is Gboard.
I've had this installed for a while but found the swiping too inaccurate. I'm trying it again now and I reckon it's as good as Gboard now. I've written this comment using it. Nice!
Edit: I've noticed that, like Gboard, it's still hard to type words like "fuck" or even "tits" etc. Are these words just missing from the dictionary? It's always felt like I'm not allowed to type them because I'm not a big boy. I don't type those particular words much, as it happens, but other missing words is annoying.
Re: FUTO Swipe – A new swipe typing model
#125Very cool. I'm a big fan of swipe. So much so that a bunch of us a Grammarly re-implemented it using a similar technique about 2 years ago on the Grammarly iOS keyboard, so if you want to experience something similar on iOS, you can head to the app store https://apps.apple.com/us/app/grammarly-ai-keyboard-notes/id... and use the qwerty english keyboard layout to get this neural net version of swipe.
See https://www.grammarly.com/blog/engineering/deep-learning-swi... for more details - it's very similar to the architecture described by the FUTO folks.
One key difference is that the learned model does not decode in a context sensitive manner but does it a word at a time. The main reason is because we wanted to release this soon and wanted the user's personal dictionary (i.e. contact names, etc... to show up correctly when swiped). It would have been nice if we could have followed through with the context sensitive decoding as described by the FUTO folks. It would really help with accuracy when dealing with words like:
1. (food, good, hood) 2. (you, toy, rot) 3. (our, or, it) etc...
(Disclaimer: I am one of the authors of the Grammarly swipe system as described in the linked blog post).
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#126Lots to be desired, unfortunately. I tried 3 different words. It nailed the first 2 but the third was impossible: The word "serverside" is impossible to swipe. I tried 10x, never did it even come close.
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#127I've been using this keyboard on and off for a while now. I've always switched back to gboard, however this update made me convert full time. It's really good. There are a few issues, like it randomly capitalizes words in the middle of sentences. Also, it doesn't seem to take context into account when suggesting words, so words that clearly wouldn't follow the last word will often show up. It's not as good as gboard…
Good. That's a silly thing to have in a keyboard. No silly childish gifs that I can accidentally click on is a great feature.
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#128What I really want is a swipe model that can tune to multiple languages simultaneously when a keyboard layout can support it (English + German, German + French, etc). I rarely need more than 2 languages simultaneously, but the "switching between 2 languages" point is painful.
This would be cool. I suspect that people don't implement this model because it's a long tail of users requesting this. This is totally feasible technically.
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#129FUTO is terrible! I run GOS and have tried it, you spend more time deleting works than actually using it. I was forced to install Google GBoard instead and revoke its network access. Gboard swipe typing works flawlessly, FUTO still an Alpha project.
> Gboard swipe typing works flawlessly, FUTO still an Alpha project I agree. I find that swipe typing on Gboard feels much better than FUTO's because I think it adapts to my typing style. I tried FUTO about six months ago, and it was a bit frustrating so I switched back to Gboard. Hopefully, it has improved since then, but I haven't checked.
> Hopefully, it has improved since then, but I haven't checked.
Good news then because you're currently in a thread about how FUTO has improved!
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it doesn't deal well with doubled vs single letters, etc. You mean like the two E’s in “feel” or the two L’s in “fell”? I just tried and it handles them well. Are you aware of the circling technique? When you want to double up on a letter, you briefly circle it slightly. I believe some keyboards let you hover momentarily without circling. Try it, swipe F-E-L, it should complete to “fell”, then do the same thing aga…
On the iPhone at least, following your instructions, I got anything from ‘feel’ to ‘fell’ to ‘grok’ to ‘felt’. Is it possible that your keyboard’s particular dictionary knows the words you’re more likely to use and adjusts for it? Edit - Also got ‘grill’. Notice how the -t in felt and -I- in grill are not near path to L.
My guess is you are deleting the word each time. Unlike the FUTO keyboard, the iPhone keyboard will give you different results each time after you delete because it assumes that if you delete a word, it’s probably because the autocomplete got it wrong, so it gives you a different result on the next try.
A workaround is to use the Notes app and use the return key to make a new line after each try, rather than deleting. That should give you more consistent results.