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Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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Post by crote »

oceanplexian wrote: post #162
jackyinger wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure the sun is a proximal cause… But are you really going to tell me that you me that tho evidence that temperatures are getting warmer is bunk? For starters check out the top diagram here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change# Would you argue against the physics of greenhouse gases? https://www.quantamagazine.org/physicists-pinpoint-the-quant... Are you too young to have noticed climate changes over time in…

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> hot weather has happened before

Obviously, which is why it is called climate change. It doesn't mean "there were no hot day ever before", it means "there will be way more hotter days, and on average they will be significantly hotter".

Pick up any recent newspaper and look at the number of "hottest month X in recorded history" articles, or "once-a-decade heat waves happening 4 years in a row" ones. That's climate change.

> the ridiculous prediction that the polar ice cap would melt by 2014

Have you tried going skiing recently? Where did the glaciers go?

Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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Post by inigyou »

rasz wrote: post #3

At first I thought it was just virtue signaling. But no, its the venue. >Venue: LSE Shaw Library, Houghton St, Old Building, London https://halls.lse.ac.uk/story/25006031/deal-with-the-uk-weat... > LSE halls (like most houses in the country) don't have air conditioning, it can be quite suffocating. I blame LSE. Uni should provide safe and comfortable environment for students.

Everyone should provide a safe and comfortable planet for everyone. Instead we said this is fine, as we literally set ourselves on fire, and then literally melted our faces off

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Post by rootusrootus »

sph wrote: post #169
lwansbrough wrote: post #9

Europeans don’t get scolded enough for their resistance to air conditioning. In terms of accounting for preventable deaths, Greece has 2x more heat-related deaths per capita annually than Mississippi has gun deaths. By comparison, the worst US state for heat related deaths, Nevada - a literal desert - has >10x fewer deaths per capita than Greece.

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Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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Post by CaptWorld »

sph wrote: post #169
lwansbrough wrote: post #9

Europeans don’t get scolded enough for their resistance to air conditioning. In terms of accounting for preventable deaths, Greece has 2x more heat-related deaths per capita annually than Mississippi has gun deaths. By comparison, the worst US state for heat related deaths, Nevada - a literal desert - has >10x fewer deaths per capita than Greece.

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Not beating the allegations of Europoor mentality. I'm not from USA

Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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Post by croes »

lwansbrough wrote: post #9

Europeans don’t get scolded enough for their resistance to air conditioning. In terms of accounting for preventable deaths, Greece has 2x more heat-related deaths per capita annually than Mississippi has gun deaths. By comparison, the worst US state for heat related deaths, Nevada - a literal desert - has >10x fewer deaths per capita than Greece.

Do you think there is a correlation between air conditioning and climate change denial?

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Post by ianm218 »

inigyou wrote: post #182
reenorap wrote: post #175

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There's no European law against AC. It's just expensive energy because it's got carbon taxes in it.

There are atleast some restrictions in localities I.e. https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/12/portof... or parts of Portugal.

Also at a certain point if you ban or heavily restrict energy production to the point that no one can afford to run AC, it is a de facto ban.

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Post by thayne »

chmod775 wrote: post #100
Noaidi wrote: post #86

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> No it doesn't. Yes, it does. It may be small temperature increase but AC use increases outside temperatures. It is just physics. Here is a simple diagram: https://www.lozierheatingcooling.com/filesimages/heatPump.jp...

This effect is temporary. Otherwise one could run their AC once for a few minutes and then it'd be cold inside your home for the rest of the year until you turn up heating. In reality equilibrium is restored quickly (and the thermal mass we're cooling/heating here is insignificant anyhow).

The process of moving heat from your house outside also creates excess heat, because no AC system is completely efficient (and it can't be because of the second law of thermodynamics).

Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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Post by quotemstr »

crote wrote: post #178
lwansbrough wrote: post #9

Europeans don’t get scolded enough for their resistance to air conditioning. In terms of accounting for preventable deaths, Greece has 2x more heat-related deaths per capita annually than Mississippi has gun deaths. By comparison, the worst US state for heat related deaths, Nevada - a literal desert - has >10x fewer deaths per capita than Greece.

Well yeah, because it requires re-engineering the entire built environment! Heat waves only became a serious problem in Europe in the last decade. The vast majority of buildings predate the need for air conditioning by several decades - and in plenty of cases by several centuries. The buildings are designed around being livable in a pre-climate-catastrophe climate without needing air conditioning - which is perfectly…

> Blindly putting AC everywhere

... actually works just fine. How do you think mass AC adoption in the US happened? Window units work just fine. Fancy splits and central ducting can come later.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good.

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Post by megacelebi »

sph wrote: post #169
lwansbrough wrote: post #9

Europeans don’t get scolded enough for their resistance to air conditioning. In terms of accounting for preventable deaths, Greece has 2x more heat-related deaths per capita annually than Mississippi has gun deaths. By comparison, the worst US state for heat related deaths, Nevada - a literal desert - has >10x fewer deaths per capita than Greece.

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Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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Post by fc417fc802 »

miki123211 wrote: post #148
fc417fc802 wrote: post #84

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Seeing as it's so commonly misunderstood I wonder if "catastrophic climate variance" wouldn't have been a better term in hindsight.

People don't know what variance is. Most people have an intuitive understanding of what an average is, but "distance from the average" is mystifying to them.

Ok fine I hear you, in that case how about catastrophic climate chaos? It's even alliterative.
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