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Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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Post by dgacmu »

mc32 wrote: post #57
rcvassallo83 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Efficient window unit? Best of the best is about 15-16 SEER That's entry level central HVAC efficiency Minisplits are far higher, 20+

If I don't have $30K to $50K to invest in an HVAC for the home, the next best is a relatively efficient Window unit that costs low hundreds and will help me stay alive in the heat. However enticing the price of a single duct portable unit is, do not buy it. It's a complete waste. If you go portable, go with the dual ducted one --but it's still not as good as a Window unit (which I would hope is obviously less efficie…

You can do a perfectly good, very efficient mini split for USD $5k. Avoids the leaks of window of portable units. And if you're feeling fancy you can get it as a cold climate heat pump. They're great options for retrofitting - can do multiple indoor air handlers, etc., for far less than $50k

Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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Post by lazide »

mylifeandtimes wrote: post #60
lwansbrough wrote: post #9

Europeans don’t get scolded enough for their resistance to air conditioning. In terms of accounting for preventable deaths, Greece has 2x more heat-related deaths per capita annually than Mississippi has gun deaths. By comparison, the worst US state for heat related deaths, Nevada - a literal desert - has >10x fewer deaths per capita than Greece.

Air conditioning only works for things inside of buildings. Not so good for the plants and animals our lives depend on. And it raises the heat outside of buildings. Not so good for people who have to be outside, think first responders etc. "just turn on the AC and keep burning the world down" isn't really the answer.

Weirdest argument to keep letting 100k grandmas die from heat every summer I’ve ever heard.

Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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Post by lazide »

stronglikedan wrote: post #50
g-b-r wrote: post #43

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Had the US not used air conditioning so much we probably wouldn't have this heatwave right now. Oh but what's the problem, just add more air conditioning! :facepalm:

> Had the US not used air conditioning so much we probably wouldn't have this heatwave right now. Sure we would, since AC has nothing to do with it.

I think they’re arguing we’d be doing something about global warming instead of rage baiting each other from the comfort of our cool houses on social media while ignoring it, like we’re doing.

Well, not really ignoring it, more like making it worse while setting giant piles of bills on fire.

Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

lwansbrough wrote: post #9

Europeans don’t get scolded enough for their resistance to air conditioning. In terms of accounting for preventable deaths, Greece has 2x more heat-related deaths per capita annually than Mississippi has gun deaths. By comparison, the worst US state for heat related deaths, Nevada - a literal desert - has >10x fewer deaths per capita than Greece.

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Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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Post by lazide »

eisa01 wrote: post #40
human305893 wrote: post #13

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Euro buildings are built to keep heat in. Aus buildings are leaky tents.

That should actually help you also with AC: Keep the cold in, and reduce the electricity costs

For some reason they seem allergic to AC - see the rest of this thread.

Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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Post by bad_haircut72 »

lazide wrote: post #62
mylifeandtimes wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Air conditioning only works for things inside of buildings. Not so good for the plants and animals our lives depend on. And it raises the heat outside of buildings. Not so good for people who have to be outside, think first responders etc. "just turn on the AC and keep burning the world down" isn't really the answer.

Weirdest argument to keep letting 100k grandmas die from heat every summer I’ve ever heard.

They're not saying dont do it, just that its not really a total solution

Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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Post by zoenolan »

winstonp wrote: post #7
shitloadofbooks wrote: post #6

"Extreme Heat" seems to be 37-40 degrees Celsius which is bafflingly mundane to me as an Australian who grew up in rural New South Wales. We'd pack 30 kids and a teacher into an un-airconditioned classroom with just a ceiling fan and the windows open in that temperature. I imagine the buildings there just aren't built to support that heat plus the body height of hundreds or thousands of attendees?

the British are notoriously sensitive to heat. They'll call 30 Celsius weather a heat wave.

https://youtu.be/mMqkuAb-HYg

Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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Post by zeusdclxvi »

bad_haircut72 wrote: post #66
lazide wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weirdest argument to keep letting 100k grandmas die from heat every summer I’ve ever heard.

They're not saying dont do it, just that its not really a total solution

They are saying not to do it though and their arguments are awful

Re: Extreme Heat conference cancelled due to extreme heat warning

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Post by Grimblewald »

lwansbrough wrote: post #9

Europeans don’t get scolded enough for their resistance to air conditioning. In terms of accounting for preventable deaths, Greece has 2x more heat-related deaths per capita annually than Mississippi has gun deaths. By comparison, the worst US state for heat related deaths, Nevada - a literal desert - has >10x fewer deaths per capita than Greece.

Aicon is reasonable for areas where it's required, but "solving" things in areas where for millenia it wasnt required simply removes the pressure to act. This would be the opposite of what's required right now, which is decisive and heavy action on something we've been inactive on for way too long.

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Post by stevage »

Aeolun wrote: post #45
lwansbrough wrote: post #9

Europeans don’t get scolded enough for their resistance to air conditioning. In terms of accounting for preventable deaths, Greece has 2x more heat-related deaths per capita annually than Mississippi has gun deaths. By comparison, the worst US state for heat related deaths, Nevada - a literal desert - has >10x fewer deaths per capita than Greece.

I think it's more that air conditioning is (currently) prohibitively expensive. The few people I know that have it spent several thousands of euros on their installations. That's not something most people have lying around. You'd think the government could subsidize aircon like they did solar for years, and both of those things combined would translate to very pleasant summers spent in energy neutral air conditioned…

It's strange what people think is expensive. Double glazing is very expensive but no one in Europe would go without it. Aircon is not expensive within the context of a house's construction costs.
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