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California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Post by greenavocado »

EmbarrassedHelp wrote: post #32
LinuxAmbulance wrote: post #2

What are the odds of this passing successfully? A grim day for 3D printing if so.

If it becomes law, then other US states and countries will try to copy it as well.

You misunderstand the mechanism. Its not because states copy other states. Its because the corrosive political elements are embedded everywhere, but most prominently have a foothold in California, Washington, and New York state. There is an interstate conspiracy and agenda to ruin America. Louis Rossman covered it recently in his video "The destruction of 3D printing: Bloomberg is behind it"

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Post by bluescrn »

int32_64 wrote: post #74

Are 3D-printed guns even remotely reliable, or is it just a moral panic? A brass tube and a pin is probably less likely to fail than 3d printed materials.

In the US I believe there's many metal 'spare parts' for guns available, including the barrel, so don't need to print the whole thing. So they're usually not talking about entirely printed guns.

A pure plastic gun seems more likely to blow the users hand off than hit their target. Especially if just downloaded and printed in PLA on default settings (few walls, sparse infill...)

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Post by dgellow »

int32_64 wrote: post #74

Are 3D-printed guns even remotely reliable, or is it just a moral panic? A brass tube and a pin is probably less likely to fail than 3d printed materials.

I know very little about guns but know 3d printing quite well. My understanding is that a fully 3d printed gun is not reliable, you need to acquire actual gun parts for the path where the bullet fires (the barrel?). Then can use 3d printing for the rest

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Post by reverius42 »

vlian2088 wrote: post #44
NDlurker wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't tell if this is a joke or a serious question.

I'm seriously questioning the absurdity of banning something that remains available a 15-minute drive away, behind a purely informal border. I don't think, for example, that recent abortion bans had reduced the number of abortions in their respective states to zero.

Do different EU member states have different laws? And are EU citizens free to drive across a national border and be subject to those different laws?

I believe the answer to both of those is yes, which leads to my next question, which is, do you think that's also absurd?

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Post by wxw »

The actual bill in question: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml...

It seems more precise to say that 3D printers sold/transferred in California would need built-in anti-firearm-printing controls?

I don't see how this directly bans students/teachers/businesses from owning 3d printers, which is what the title seems to say.

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Post by rpearl »

alright2565 wrote: post #70
guelo wrote: post #23

Photocopiers and printers have included anti-counterfeiting tech for decades, so there is precedent for this kind of thing. And this is addressing a real growing problem: https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/santa-rosa-167-gun... https://da.santaclaracounty.gov/da-task-force-seizes-ghost-g... https://www.vvng.com/3d-printed-firearm-recovered-after-man-...

Here's a series of models, which of these is a gun part? https://imgur.com/a/p3UtJqW Money anti-counterfeiting is trivial, it's just 5 dots arranged in a specific pattern. Deciding what is a gun part is impossible, even for an expert human.

Can you send me these models? I would like to print and bring them to the next committee hearing. My senator is on that committee.

I will also be bringing an ergonomic grip for my camera.

My email is in my profile.

Re: California AB 2047 makes 3D printers off-limits to students, educators, business

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Post by harshreality »

vor_ wrote: post #68
dgellow wrote: post #6

If that becomes current law I don’t want to ever hear about Europe being over-regulated compared to the US…

There are several snarky knee-jerk reactions in the comments here, but state assemblies pass things all the time that ultimately fail to pass or get vetoed. Now the public will debate it, contact their state senators to give their opinions...it's all part of the process.

A law like this just passed in New York State.

If this fails it'll be because the tech industry expresses disapproval too loudly to ignore.

The legislators don't care about the underlying criticism. Almost no legislators have ever used a 3d printer or written any software, beyond maybe simple assigned programs if they had a required intro-to-programming course. Few are "tech" people. The rest don't understand this technology, or any technology really, beyond it being a black box for specific purposes. They see 3d printing and plastic guns and think something must be done, because the 3d printing black boxes are producing dangerous weapons.

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