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Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

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Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

#41
This is their only option. Someone who is the head of security for a hospital IT department needs access to mythos, and some 17 year old with fraud convictions doesn't.

It's the same reason we require ID for alcohol and gun purchases. Obviously it isn't a perfect system, teens drink but good luck suggesting that 13 year old should be allowed to buy alcohol.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

#42

That's fine, I already cancelled my subscription after they admitted to using PEFT to selectively and silently make their models dumber when working in certain technical fields. [ref: section 1.5 of Mythos/Fable 5 system card, https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/d00db56fa754a1b115b6dd7cb2e3c3... ] Maybe that was petty, but I was already looking for alternatives after the obvious angling for increased regulation and suppres…

Can you please elaborate?

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they should. It would be far less intrusive for venders who wish to sell age restricted goods to simply have it built in like that.

You want to let every merchant I swipe my card at know my age? To improve privacy?

ceejayoz> You want to let every merchant I swipe my card at know my age? To improve privacy?

Remember the site guidelines:

SG> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize.

The obvious solution is instead of "every transaction comes with the user's birthday", the vendor can in some way set a minimum age enum of say (13, 15, 18, 21, 25) — a handful of ages that are significant with respect to some law or regulation. Then the transaction succeeds or fails.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

#44

More signal that the open-weight models should be our destiny as an industry. These proprietary models are being used to usher in more surveillance and gatekeeping across the industry.

I have a home server that runs Qwen3.6-35B-A3B through llama.cpp with Open WebUI for the user facing interface.

My teen isn't super interested in AI, but whenever they do feel curious they have their own account they can use on our home network. As far as chatting goes local models are more than capable for handling standard chat questions, doing research, helping troubleshoot problems etc. In fact it was an agent powered by the same model that setup the open webui server and took care of all the account management features through my phone (using Hermes agent).

If you're building AI powered features and using sophisticated agent setups for coding for work, then it make sense to use SoTA from these providers. But I've been using local models increasingly for personal use and am starting to find them preferable (I run an uncensored, ephemeral model for my own use and it's an entirely different experience than anything you can pay for).

Still haven't cancelled my personal Anthropic subscription, but considering it soon.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

#45

If programming requires LLM/AI then regulation by government is needed to stop this overreach, which has the primary goal of banning you permanently forever making sure you can never come back to programming, in the event some AI in their system decides you have done something “wrong”.

Agreed. Fortunately for all, clankers aren't required at all to program.

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Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

#46

More signal that the open-weight models should be our destiny as an industry. These proprietary models are being used to usher in more surveillance and gatekeeping across the industry.

Someone should start a nonprofit company focused on developing Open AI. I bet we could even get some sensible billionaires to help the effort.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

#47
post #21

More signal that the open-weight models should be our destiny as an industry. These proprietary models are being used to usher in more surveillance and gatekeeping across the industry.

Either way I don't think this will end well for humanity.

How could it not? I get the whole fear of AI making robots and going anti-human, but after using the tech for a few months now that seems too absurd.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

#48

More signal that the open-weight models should be our destiny as an industry. These proprietary models are being used to usher in more surveillance and gatekeeping across the industry.

Someone should start a nonprofit company focused on developing Open AI. I bet we could even get some sensible billionaires to help the effort.

We could all chip in

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

#49

I should be worried about this, but Anthropic's products are a paid product. You can't use them without providing some identifying information, unless you're going out of your way to provide them inaccurate information. I generally dislike services which require this level of identity verification but also, so far, those have mostly been freemium services and community tools. And I dislike gating those communities. I…

I have no problem paying my groceries with my credit card, but I'd rather not give them a copy of my passport...

What about a signed attestation of your identity based on your passport? I don’t particularly want a future where we need to present ID for any online service, but for certain high-risk services (e.g. financial services, medical records, government portals) I’d rather a proper identity system than cobbling something like this together.

As an aside, when traveling internationally it’s not uncommon to need to provide your passport information if you want to get a sales tax rebate. I’ve never purchased something expensive enough abroad to bother with it.

Re: Anthropic updates their terms to verify age or identity

#50

Couple years ago the West was complaining about surveillance and scoring system of citizens in China (or was making fun of it) Seems like US wants to get ahead on this and be #1 Also Sam Altman will love this idea, because he already tried it with Worldcoin

>the West was complaining about surveillance and scoring system of citizens in China

free speech, civil liberties, voting, are in China all well below the standards of the west. The criticism and complaints were completely warranted and are still true today, whereas your comment falsely implies there is some parity.

could your comment be repaired to be reasonable? why bother, just read the rest of this discussion where people are debating these controls without trying to exonerate China.

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