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> This seems like a pretty normal thing to do. That is NOT normal.
Not the one to make this discourse Reddit like but I do find the username pretty unfortunate for the comment.
Madison Square Garden compiled a list of activists against facial recognition
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This seems like a pretty normal thing to do sorry to the rest of the esteemed hn community for the low-effort reply, but... gross.
We have a document detailing our competitors. So I guess I have to ask... Am I normal?
Competitive intelligence and customer info is one thing. Do you block your business competitors associates and family from accessing public venues?
Dolan does.
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"This seems like a pretty normal thing to do." - adolph
(relevant username)
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> This seems like a pretty normal thing to do sorry to the rest of the esteemed hn community for the low-effort reply, but... gross.
We have a document detailing our competitors. So I guess I have to ask... Am I normal?
You think having a document detailing competitors is the same thing as compiling personal information of people who have publicly commented against what you're doing?
The sandbagging on this story is crazy.
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#25Debating this specific dossier ignores the larger issue, IMO:
> MSG has deployed facial recognition technology since 2018 to identify people entering the venue. MSG’s facial recognition systems have been used to block entry to the stadium for all sorts of people. The list includes lawyers who work at law firms in litigation with MSG, even if they are not part of the litigation themselves; and potentially a man who once made a shirt that criticized Dolan.
> The document was included in a 45GB cache of data hackers stole from MSG and posted online this month
MSG management is not only misusing facial recognition data, they're also so inept as to store it insecurely in a way that violates their own customer's privacy.
We need laws around this stuff. And in the meantime NYC should start playing hardball: if they're going to arbitrarily block people from entering MSG based on corporate vendetta then they need to lose their tax exemption (well, they should anyway...)
https://reinventalbany.org/2023/02/watchdog-supports-state-b...
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#26Please watch/listen to the Pablo Torre podcast about this one for additional context: https://www.pablo.show/p/inside-james-dolans-deep-state?utm_... If you don't know, Pablo recently won a Pulitzer for his reporting on Steve Balmer's deal with Aspiration. If you listened only to mainstream media, you would think "Poor Steve, he was duped!" But, Pablo's reporting might change your opinion on that one. The incredible…
Aspiration?
Oops, yes, correct!
Re: Madison Square Garden compiled a list of activists against facial recognition
#27In NYC, you can trespass anyone from a private business at any time and for no reason at all. NY Penal Law § 140.00 says a person in premises open to the public is there with license/privilege unless they defy a lawful order not to enter or remain, personally communicated by the owner or another authorized person. So, in plain English: “You have to leave. You are not allowed back.” The owner does not need to say: “Yo…
i don’t think anyone is claiming it is illegal
It’s billionaire people pushing the bounds of their enclosure, Jurassic Park style. The similar behavior in the west coast are the people who create various hoops to deny the public access to the shore.
NYC grants significant concessions to developers in exchange for public access. It’s important to overreact and push back to every incursion into the public sphere as every incremental pushback of public benefit is cumulative over time.
Manhattan in particular is a precious resource that is already largely a playground for the rich. Normal people used to live there.
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#28Related:
The Shocking Secrets of Madison Square Garden’s Surveillance Machine: https://www.wired.com/story/madison-square-garden-jim-dolan-...
Archive/paywall: https://archive.ph/iiczs
Post on the MSG data breach: https://www.404media.co/hackers-publish-knicks-and-madison-s...
Archive/paywall: https://archive.ph/qh3UQ
Shinyhunters website: http://shnyhntww34phqoa6dcgnvps2yu7dlwzmy5lkvejwjdo6z7bmgshz...
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It isn’t really a normal thing to do, no. Do you think they keep dossiers on everyone who complains about concession prices? About long lines to get in? Do you think people who have done either of those things get denied access to MSG?
The fact that they’re this motivated to track people on this niche topic sounds alarm bells for me.